OK I'll bite. We work for a Fortune 500 company and a Fortune 100 "Top Places to Work" company (to get an idea of who else is in that group go take a look). Why do we have to go do forensic research and accounting on our pay every month? Why? This contract didn't sneak up on them. Yet somehow the onus is on the pilots to go digging around and figuring out what they should be paid for work they performed under a CBA. This whole approach we have been taking is backwards. The company is at fault and we are not doing anything, other than doing monthly forensic audits of our pay, to fix it. That is unacceptable on all levels. What we have contractually is not that difficult to figure out from the company perspective, a team of software dudes could have implemented those provisions easily. Yet here we are.

Stop flipping it back on the pilots here, we've got a lot of other things going on than to sit down at the end of every pay period and figure out whether we were paid properly or not. That, unfortunately, is our reality. The fact our association has remained on the sidelines here and have not ratcheted this up is disheartening to say the least.

You gotta have some agency tho, and make sure you are paid correctly. Yes, the company needs to pay us correctly the first time, but nobody is gonna make sure that is the case except you.

06-15-2025 | 06:58 PM

#8214

Avgeek7248

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From: Widget FO

Quote:

Originally Posted by IceFlash

You gotta have some agency tho, and make sure you are paid correctly. Yes, the company needs to pay us correctly the first time, but nobody is gonna make sure that is the case except you.

agreed just wish it was more streamline and all on one page. Flight ops asks like we’re asking for another moon landing when it comes to showing tracking and displaying pay. My crappy regional did a better job somehow and I never was worried about pay discrepancies.

06-15-2025 | 11:55 PM

#8215

Whoopsmybad

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Quote:

Originally Posted by igotgummed

Awwww……it takes too long to cover trips now…..boohoo.

And I also see that they’re basically BOLD printing that we shouldn’t run the APU. Nice.

Did I miss something here? I haven’t seen anything stating this.

06-16-2025 | 04:51 AM

#8216

igotgummed

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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad

Did I miss something here? I haven’t seen anything stating this.

Last weeks flight ops email.

06-16-2025 | 04:53 AM

#8217

igotgummed

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo

Do you actually read comments? I said I agree with you. My statement was about pilots not reading the plethora of information ALPA publishes.

06-16-2025 | 05:06 AM

#8218

OOfff

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Quote:

Originally Posted by igotgummed

Do you actually read comments? I said I agree with you. My statement was about pilots not reading the plethora of information ALPA publishes.

hk was against the soft time improvements in c19, likely because they don’t benefit as a wb pilot. ever since, they’ve been pretending that every bit of soft time requires the pilots to chase the company down.

they aren’t discussing this in good faith or from a position of experience.

06-16-2025 | 05:36 AM

#8219

FangsF15

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Originally Posted by OOfff

HK isn't talking about soft pays like EDP, SIT, CARVE, etc. The context of his comments are in Reroute pays, and he's spot on.

While Gummed is right about reading what's been put out, I'd say DALPA shouldn't have to put out explainer emails and 'how to calculate' primers, because the Fortune 100 company SHOULD be getting it right the first time, every time (and that doesn't even address the erroneous 'pay is correct' Pay Inquiry closures that are wrong 62% of the time - that WE then have to continue to chase down). It seems like the company can hardly find anyone who can program in a 30+ year-old dead language, and are punting the problem until Crew360 supposedly 'fixes' it. Last I heard, the CrewMod conversion won't be complete until 2027 (and I have zero confidence the problems will be 'fixed' even then). Unbelievable and unacceptable.

Flt Ops statistics-laden DLnet-article defense was laughable and embarrassing. Proving to all, once again, they are beholden to their blind adherence to stats, while completely missing the forest for the leaves on the trees...

06-16-2025 | 06:08 AM

#8220

notEnuf

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From: ir.delta.com

Quote:

Originally Posted by igotgummed

Do you actually read comments? I said I agree with you. My statement was about pilots not reading the plethora of information ALPA publishes.

The problem isn't the volume of information it's recalling it and finding it when it finally pertains to your situation. That's why we pay FPL to people to be experts that know how to find and rectify non-compliance. These are intentional acts now, PB/PR cutting and pay claw back etc. not just delayed implementation. If the company didn't try to constantly F us on one thing or another there would be no need for the constant stream of documents and changes to the SRH. This is on the company NOT the line pilots just trying to do the flying and go home. Forensic accounting was never my career goal.

Last edited by notEnuf; 06-16-2025 at 06:30 AM.