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Old 09-29-2025 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueSkies
Copy pasta for the contract survey.
also better retirement medical and keeping non-rev benefits while on disability (just in case).
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Old 09-29-2025 | 07:51 AM
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Old 09-29-2025 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
Caveat is you can only deposit 20 hrs per bid period. At least it used to be that way. No access to PWA right now.
also you can't pull from your bank if your at the 80ish hr bank limit. Didnt know this was a thing until i tried to pull out of the bank once on year 3 pay and realized its capped. Its my money and I want it now! If I credit 80hrs a month and want to pull an additional 20hrs out of my bank I should be allowed imo.
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Old 09-29-2025 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by vinny7
also you can't pull from your bank if your at the 80ish hr bank limit. Didnt know this was a thing until i tried to pull out of the bank once on year 3 pay and realized its capped. Its my money and I want it now! If I credit 80hrs a month and want to pull an additional 20hrs out of my bank I should be allowed imo.
The whole bank thing is a leftover feature of the contract that we used to be capped on how much credit you could get paid in a month overall. If you "worked too much" one month, the credit would automatically go into your bank where you had to work less to pull it back out. It was a leveling mechanism imposed by the union to help pilots help themselves.

Much of the orgins of the PWA is designed to help pilots from ruining QOL for themselves. Not working on vacations, limiting straight open time pickups, etc. These are all features that have been put in to help pilots control themselves.

Im sure the company would love to eradicate all of these features and let us hoor ourselves out as much as possible, reduces headcount, leaves the "slackers" behind. Be careful of the world you create for yourself. Previous generations weren't idiots, they just had insight into human nature and trying to create a sustainable QOL along with good pay.
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Old 09-29-2025 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by nene
The whole bank thing is a leftover feature of the contract that we used to be capped on how much credit you could get paid in a month overall. If you "worked too much" one month, the credit would automatically go into your bank where you had to work less to pull it back out. It was a leveling mechanism imposed by the union to help pilots help themselves.

Much of the orgins of the PWA is designed to help pilots from ruining QOL for themselves. Not working on vacations, limiting straight open time pickups, etc. These are all features that have been put in to help pilots control themselves.

Im sure the company would love to eradicate all of these features and let us hoor ourselves out as much as possible, reduces headcount, leaves the "slackers" behind. Be careful of the world you create for yourself. Previous generations weren't idiots, they just had insight into human nature and trying to create a sustainable QOL along with good pay.
If we are hoors, then I don't see us banking hours. We are just holding money back until a later time, like when it benefits you to have time off and want a steady paycheck. The history lesson is fine but QOL flexibility is the goal. Hoors always want the cash up front.
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Old 09-29-2025 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by nene
The whole bank thing is a leftover feature of the contract that we used to be capped on how much credit you could get paid in a month overall. If you "worked too much" one month, the credit would automatically go into your bank where you had to work less to pull it back out. It was a leveling mechanism imposed by the union to help pilots help themselves.

Much of the orgins of the PWA is designed to help pilots from ruining QOL for themselves. Not working on vacations, limiting straight open time pickups, etc. These are all features that have been put in to help pilots control themselves.

Im sure the company would love to eradicate all of these features and let us hoor ourselves out as much as possible, reduces headcount, leaves the "slackers" behind. Be careful of the world you create for yourself. Previous generations weren't idiots, they just had insight into human nature and trying to create a sustainable QOL along with good pay.
The history lesson is good, but in today's PWA world the bank has shifted. People mainly use it to either buy vacation days or use up to 5 hours in order to hit the GS trigger. Given the increase in the value of a vacation day it makes sense to bump up the max bank limit to compensate. 80 is also a high hurdle for most people to clear regularly in order to stock up their bank or pay back a negative balance. It should be a more reasonable fixed number (like 70), or indexed to something lower like ALV or ALV-X. I'm also not sure why there needs to be a cap of 20 for adding to the bank. I guess the company wants people working more over more bid periods in order to fill up, as opposed to say someone cashing in a ton of PB days for pay and credit maxing out the bank in a single bid period.
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Old 09-29-2025 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Hoors always want the cash up front.
But what if I have a structured settlement and I need cash now?
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Old 09-29-2025 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
If we are hoors, then I don't see us banking hours. We are just holding money back until a later time, like when it benefits you to have time off and want a steady paycheck. The history lesson is fine but QOL flexibility is the goal. Hoors always want the cash up front.
The hoors comment is more towards the fact that every contract cycle we get pilots who will want to fly over or sell vacation. There are pilots who want the WS limit pulled so that you can fill to FAR's for straight time. They'll claim it increases flexibility.

I was just commenting on why the bank even exists and if we are gonna have one than yes I agree it should allow you to use it to max extent possible, so I will fill out my survey, but I am but one opinion in a sea of over 17,000.
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Old 09-29-2025 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by demon llama
But what if I have a structured settlement and I need cash now?
Sounds like a problem for JG Wentworth.

try 1 877 CASH NOW
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Old 09-29-2025 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by nene
Sounds like a problem for JG Wentworth.

try 1 877 CASH NOW
They've helped thousands they'll help you too-oo
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