Agreed. Yes, second to last.

 

Industry managers are racing to drop turds faster than a goat with IBS. They know something and want the contracts locked up. I'm happily waiting for the Q2 call and '23 projections.

 

Are you sure about that? Remember this latest amendment was suppose to be " seamless"..Apparently in managements eyes 4 years late is " seamless". A 2 yr deal will be enforced for a minimum of 5 years. A 4 year deal will be enforced for 8 years with zero retro of maybe 6 months retro. Get the picture?.And we all sit around like clowns wondering why we are falling so far behind..Management via RLA have us by the locked up in this ridiculously crappy deals that ALPA cuts just to get it over with. I say not this time as the pilots finally have leverage so let's not squander it away again.

 

Why are they only asking for 2 year contracts if that is the case?

 

The two year length is a big problem when they drag out the next contract for 3-4 years and pay 6 months retro.

 

Exactly. Drop a turd 2 year with small pay increases and spend the next 6 years on that contract cycle.

 

I’ve 5 years left (depending on the market). 20% DOS, FULL retro, and a complete rewrite of the RR rules are non negotiable for me. Other issues are high priority as well such as retirement enhancements, vacation, sick leave etc.
I’m not a single issue voter, but those first three are set in stone for me and I’m ready to walk to get them.

 

Would not a 4 year contract dragged out 3 to 4 years be even better for management?

 

If it doesn't, it becomes the new standard. It's time for the UAL Pilots to go 2015 on their MEC.

 

Have you ever watched a foot race? Basically I want the runner named QOL Improvements to cross the finish line first. I’d like the runner named Pay Raises to cross second, but I don’t really care if he’s anywhere close to QOL Improvements, just as long as he’s ahead of the runner named Retirement.

And are you talking about United’s TA? First, their pay raises are 14.66-15.1%, depending on the fleet. Second, it was 4% for 2022, 5% for 2023, and 5% for 2024. I absolutely consider 4-5% yearly pay increases totally unacceptable, ESPECIALLY in light of their concessionary contract and the fact that the years 2020 and 2021 just apparently don’t matter at all for raises.

I don’t understand this question, because I already said pay is a distant second to QOL.

That being said, if there were substantial improvements to narrow body QOL, I’d be fine with pay raises that are only slightly above inflation. But I’d want 4-5% retro to the amendable date, 10-15% at date of signing, and 8-10% yearly until the next amendable date. That is with SUBSTANTIAL improvements.

If we’re only talking minor improvements, then the pay raises would need to be substantially higher.

If the runner named QOL Improvements does end up coming in second, then it had better be because the runner named Pay Raises was an Olympic athlete and totally destroyed the other runners, who were all high school gym class runners, so of course QOL Improvements would have no real chance to win.

Anyway, I’m just a single vote and this is all nonsense/fantasy. What I’d LIKE to see and what will eventually come out of the gaping anus of the airline negotiations sausage machine will be very different, and at that time I’ll analyze the TA as best as I can and then vote accordingly.