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07-01-2022 | 10:24 AM
#631
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I don't think that is entirely accurate. UAL has substantial problems meeting the desired hiring and training levels that Kirby's growth plan entails. That is the reason Pilot Instructors got a much bigger pay raise offer in the TA than anyone else. In fact the company first approached ALPA in December making a closing offer for that very reason, but ALPA declined the offer saying it was to low on pay. That problem will remain if this TA fails, so unless a recession hits that seriously reduces demand I do not think Kirby will be laughing if this TA fails. Of course, all that is one pilot's opinion and we all know how much that is worth 
I want the instructors to make more, but the line pilots can’t be left with raises that don’t touch breathtaking inflation.
Nowhere is this more evident than $427/hr at AA regionals.
07-01-2022 | 11:32 AM
#633
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Exactly. As we can see from AA execs they are in a massive panic to get a deal as well. They simply can’t handle the training. They need to immediately raise instructor pay to attract more of them. Unfortunately for them, they need to agree to a contract to make that happen.
I want the instructors to make more, but the line pilots can’t be left with raises that don’t touch breathtaking inflation.
Nowhere is this more evident than $427/hr at AA regionals.
I want the instructors to make more, but the line pilots can’t be left with raises that don’t touch breathtaking inflation.
Nowhere is this more evident than $427/hr at AA regionals.
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07-01-2022 | 11:59 AM
#634
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We are a commodity and therefore pay will rise and fall as pricing does with any other commodity. QoL gains are much harder to obtain and lock in. Focusing on pay when you have a favorable bargaining environment is incredibly short-sighted Imho.
07-01-2022 | 01:28 PM
#635
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Having said that, the demographics have shifted massively, between the VEOP and subsequent hiring at historic rates. Those hired post Covid are becoming voting members at about 200/month now, while 40-50/month retire. That’s 1000 vote swing every 4 months we wait. Or thereabouts.
The union is duty bound to follow the direction of the majority. Not that they should ignore the minority, but don’t be surprised if the gains don’t primarily favor those over 60.
But I hope we take care of you, fwiw.
07-01-2022 | 01:47 PM
#636
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Of course you do, you are very senior and about to retire. And I don’t blame you, truly. I’d probably feel the exact same if this was my last contract.
Having said that, the demographics have shifted massively, between the VEOP and subsequent hiring at historic rates. Those hired post Covid are becoming voting members at about 200/month now, while 40-50/month retire. That’s 1000 vote swing every 4 months we wait. Or thereabouts.
The union is duty bound to follow the direction of the majority. Not that they should ignore the minority, but don’t be surprised if the gains don’t primarily favor those over 60.
But I hope we take care of you, fwiw.
Having said that, the demographics have shifted massively, between the VEOP and subsequent hiring at historic rates. Those hired post Covid are becoming voting members at about 200/month now, while 40-50/month retire. That’s 1000 vote swing every 4 months we wait. Or thereabouts.
The union is duty bound to follow the direction of the majority. Not that they should ignore the minority, but don’t be surprised if the gains don’t primarily favor those over 60.
But I hope we take care of you, fwiw.
07-01-2022 | 02:46 PM
#637
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I will see another contract; this isn't my last. I certainly understand QOL issues are important but getting a huge raise makes it easier to accept some things IMO. I do think the reroute situation must be addressed for narrowbody pilots. I'm obviously one of the only pilots out there that think we need a HUGE raise. Just look at the small raises United and AA are throwing out there.
You are not the only one that thinks we need a huge raise. It also needs an inflation rider for the out years when this contract expires. Something to prevent feet dragging. That being said scope and QOL items can’t be exchanged for pay because if you don’t have scope you don’t have work and you won’t get any pay. Not that you suggested selling scope.
07-01-2022 | 04:34 PM
#638
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I will see another contract; this isn't my last. I certainly understand QOL issues are important but getting a huge raise makes it easier to accept some things IMO. I do think the reroute situation must be addressed for narrowbody pilots. I'm obviously one of the only pilots out there that think we need a HUGE raise. Just look at the small raises United and AA are throwing out there.
07-01-2022 | 08:21 PM
#640
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I agree with this 1000% we need pay to keep up with inflation, but I really want to see better QOL/Vacation/training pay. Last IQ I went to I took a pay cut for the month, and spent way more time away from home.
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