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05-28-2022 | 09:33 PM
#131
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easy 5 day trips worth 29-31 hours.
there is NO WAY ADG is better. NONE. Selling anything other that that convinces me what side you’re on.
05-28-2022 | 09:42 PM
#132
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Yeah I remember Delta putting out that info and they were lying. There's no other way to put it. Top hourly pay for flight attendants on 01/01/2007 was $39.75 and on 04/01/2016 it was $61.28. They can say the total is 64% but if you have a calculator you can see that it isn't 64%.
If my numbers are wrong feel free to correct me.
If my numbers are wrong feel free to correct me.
05-29-2022 | 01:11 AM
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Yeah I remember Delta putting out that info and they were lying. There's no other way to put it. Top hourly pay for flight attendants on 01/01/2007 was $39.75 and on 04/01/2016 it was $61.28. They can say the total is 64% but if you have a calculator you can see that it isn't 64%. Not to mention that last 14.5% was due to the obliteration of our profit sharing for 2 years where I personally lost over $15,000 on that alone.
The second statement about compensation rising by 80% "since 2008" in that article dated Feb of 2018 is also a lie. In 2008 top pay for flight attendants was $42.30 and when that article was published it was $64.96 per hour. So again, you can pull out the calculator and see that it's nowhere near the 80% they claim.
Lastly, compare pilot pay on 01/01/2007 to where it is now and then compare top hourly F/A pay on 01/01/2007 and compare it to what it is now. The pilot group has received more in increases as a percentage than the F/A group has.
Top F/A hourly pay on 01/01/2007 = $39.75
Top F/A hourly pay today = $72.38
That's an 82% increase.
Top Captain 777/A350 rate on 01/01/2007 = $188.31
Top Captain 777/A350 rate today = $353.85
That's an 88% increase.
If my numbers are wrong feel free to correct me.
The second statement about compensation rising by 80% "since 2008" in that article dated Feb of 2018 is also a lie. In 2008 top pay for flight attendants was $42.30 and when that article was published it was $64.96 per hour. So again, you can pull out the calculator and see that it's nowhere near the 80% they claim.
Lastly, compare pilot pay on 01/01/2007 to where it is now and then compare top hourly F/A pay on 01/01/2007 and compare it to what it is now. The pilot group has received more in increases as a percentage than the F/A group has.
Top F/A hourly pay on 01/01/2007 = $39.75
Top F/A hourly pay today = $72.38
That's an 82% increase.
Top Captain 777/A350 rate on 01/01/2007 = $188.31
Top Captain 777/A350 rate today = $353.85
That's an 88% increase.
If my numbers are wrong feel free to correct me.
Meh, who cares…
Pilots are not equal to FAs, non con, etc. We drive the plane, you ride on it. I’m tired that FAs believe they are kind of equal to us, that they deserve the same. That mentality is brought in by management so they can try to keep our cost down.
They can add the pre departure money, extra money to the FAs, non con, etc. But the plane is not moving without pilots. I wonder how much money they company has lost these past month because they screwed up with the Pilot manning trying to save a dime.
It’s time for them to pay up, increase manning and it’s time for the other groups to stop complaining or trying to keep our hopes down. Yes, I’m talking about you saying keep dreaming for a big pay raise.
We’ve been working a lot since 2019, I’m tired and I’m not even picking up GS anymore. I wish everyone would do the same, I’m sure delta would be losing more money due to pilot staffing.
05-29-2022 | 03:53 AM
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05-29-2022 | 04:14 AM
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Some of the best advice I got from my dad before I got married. "Choose very carefully the hill ya going to die on." Most of the time a simple "perhaps you are right my dear." Will keep you on with wife #1 and save you lots of time, frustration and money
05-29-2022 | 05:37 AM
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They can add the pre departure money, extra money to the FAs, non con, etc. But the plane is not moving without pilots.
I wonder how much money they company has lost these past month because they screwed up with the Pilot manning trying to save a dime.
It’s time for them to pay up, increase manning and it’s time for the other groups to stop complaining or trying to keep our hopes down. Yes, I’m talking about you saying keep dreaming for a big pay raise.
05-29-2022 | 05:44 AM
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But...who has it worse? Well, a Delta flight attendant with 10 years seniority that works an average of 80-85 hours per month can't even qualify to rent a 1 bedroom apartment on their own in most of our bases because they don't meet the minimum income requirements. I mean...maybe we can all agree that kind of sucks doesn't it?
Average rent for a 1 bedroom apartment in Atlanta is $1,812. Most apartments require a tenants income to be 3x that of their monthly rent meaning on average that's a little over $65,000 per year. A flight attendant with 10 years seniority that works 85 hours per month earns $60,853 per year.
I think we can all agree that sucks huh?
05-29-2022 | 06:51 AM
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