Adding to my point number 2 -

Looking back at the past 15-20 years flight attendants generally received annual raises in the first semester of the year. Anywhere between January 1st to June 1st. It wasn't until a couple of years ago that the "annual review" was postponed by the company to later in the year and thus the annual raises were moved to the Fall. So one year we waited longer than 12 months for such annual raise whereas pilots continued to receive annual raises on January 1st. You can keep saying that we got 1 additional raise in 2019 but it just isn't the case and looking back 15-20 years and comparing the annual raises you can just see that the November annual raise received by flight attendants just catches us back up with the annual raise received by pilots...you just receive your annual raise months before we do because yours is contractual and ours is based on the goodwill of the company.

Also, most flight attendants aren't doing 4-5 legs per day. There's 0 trips build with 5 legs in a duty day. Even 4 legs per duty day is rare to see. The average systemwide legs per duty period is around 2.20-2.40 with Atlanta having the highest around 2.50 legs per duty period. In Atlanta for example, International trips and regular turns (1-day trips) make up a majority of all block hours. 99% of these trips are 1-2 legs per duty period.

 

International skews it right but international also has 2-3 times the number of flight attendants a domestic flight has.

For example, international flying (in ATL) makes up 32% of all block hours. Almost 130,000 block hours. In NYC it's 47% of all block hours. ATL+NYC make up a majority of ALL flight attendants systemwide.

Our average block time per duty period is around 6:00. Our average schedule value for June is 85 hours. That's an average of 14 days of flying per flight attendant. So if you average out about 2.4 legs per duty period and you fly 14 days and use 1 duty period per day (even though it's actually less because transoceanic and domestic 30 hour layers have less duty periods than days) then you come up with an average of 33-34 legs per F/A per month. Take 33 legs and apply the 40 minutes of pay and you essentially end up with 11 hours of flight pay on top of the 85 block hours. So using this, you end up with 13% in additional pay but that number is inflated because 1/3 of all block hours are international that those trips have 2 duty periods per 3 day trip (or sometimes even 4 days) and therefore the average is actually lower than 33 legs per month. More like 26-28 legs per month. Then add in the other things I mentioned such as not having any impact on vacation and sick time...and that's how I got to 10% (or even less).

 

Lots of words and conflicting thoughts above. I will leave you with this: my Union calculated it to be 24%. Good enough for me.

 

So much for "trust but verify". Just don't be upset if there's a TA this year or next with a number much smaller than 24% up front.

 

Thanks man, I stand corrected.

 

my numbers verified it. The Union’s numbers comport with mine. BTW my numbers are your numbers. I will grant you the point about the boarding pay isn’t reflected in vacation etc, so we can knock 1% off. 23%.

 

Show me your numbers on boarding pay then...i'm calling your bluff.

 

The only flaw in your posting is pilots have not consistently received annual raises. There were many years like now where there were no raises.

 

I'm talking pre-covid. From when Delta exited bankruptcy until 2019. You may have skipped a year but overall pilots have done better than F/As.

As i've said before, it is idiotic for management to not give pilots the same 4% everyone else is getting. I get the whole "negotiations" process but Covid was a unique event and if they had any clue as to what they were doing they would have passed it along to pilots as well.

 

DALFA,

I have routinely enjoyed reading your perspective on matters related to the state of things at DAL… I hope that will continue.

but on this annual raise thing, I think you should take a step back and consider that the IFS cadre gets what it gets from the company to keep you competitive and happy.

Pilots don’t get “annual raises” they get what ALPA negotiated for them, typically nothing more, or less. The programmed raises just happened to be set for each January first.


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