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Old 11-11-2022, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by brakechatter View Post
Just a couple of opinions, having experience with all of them. I agree that taking the time to write an email to the pilots is good form, especially if they don't know who you are.
With regard to Ryan Argenta in particular, I agree that he has a lot of potential. I worked with him in Engage, and he is likable, very articulate and writes well. His future is bright if he sticks with it. That being said, experience matters in the position of MEC Chairman, again IMO. I appreciate his honesty in answering the question of not really knowing what the MBCBP consists of, and the MEC Chairman needs to know about the MBCBP. There is a lot about the contract, the process and the people that he needs to learn prior to taking that office. The Chairman doesn't work for the pilots. The Chairman works for, and is responsible to, the MEC, and represents the MEC when the MEC isn't in session. The MEC works for the pilots. With almost 15,000 opinions from "A" type personalities, I personally think the process works, but the place to change it is with resolution at the LEC level.

Some clarifications, the Chairman isn't a de facto member of the NC, he/she are an ex officio member of all of the committees. It is an important distinction to understand, as the NC works for, and is responsible to, the MEC, not the MEC Chairman. The Chairman does not come in and lead the NC. They are independent elected members, individually responsible to the MEC but tasked to work together. To get fresh blood on the MEC, people need to volunteer, do good work and establish a reputation for a quality product. It's hard to get people to volunteer. That leads to promotion to Committee Chair positions and/or base representative positions. That leads to Admin positions. And yes, distasteful things happen in the name of politics and less-than-pilot-centric motivation. Always has, always will.

Stepping back now, and waiting to hear the update from this week and next after the MEC meeting.
i don’t know anything about the candidates but I will say that having a candidate who doesn’t know the ins and outs of 100% of the issues is not necessarily an issue for me. With this, and any leadership position, I’m more concerned with the personality and attitudes of a leader who is curious and open minded. Who surrounds themselves with smart people, and can thread the needle of humility and hubris as the situation requires. Obtaining knowledge is always easier than reforming a personality.
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Old 11-11-2022, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch View Post
I think it’s a requirement that Harvard grads have to tell everyone. Same as F16 guys having it in their email address. 🤣
It’s important information the world needs to know.
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Old 11-11-2022, 10:05 AM
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UND, embry riddle, duke, notre dame, stanford, AF academy, westpoint, annapolis, all ivys is a must. Somebody paid a lot of money to put that on a resume, it can not simply be left out.
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Old 11-11-2022, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Scooter432 View Post

- Do you support the MBCBP, including achieving the Minimum Balance in this contract?

The Minimum Balance portion of the plan is essential for our more senior pilots and the only way of remunerating them for loses and sacrifices made which have never been restored or, frankly, even acknowledged by management.

Kindly,
Ryan"
Why would we not negotiate for ALL Delta pilots? Why is one group more special than the majority when those hired post-bankruptcy did not get a claim, note, PBGC, stock and an additional five years?

Help me understand Ryan's position on a special $$ bonus for a preferred Delta pilot.
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Old 11-11-2022, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar View Post
Why would we not negotiate for ALL Delta pilots? Why is one group more special than the majority when those hired post-bankruptcy did not get a claim, note, PBGC, stock and an additional five years?

Help me understand Ryan's position on a special $$ bonus for a preferred Delta pilot.
Because there is a certain demo that is also very very very very loud that lives and dies by Min Balance. He's a long shot so he needs to be the guy who is open to everything.
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Old 11-11-2022, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar View Post
Why would we not negotiate for ALL Delta pilots? Why is one group more special than the majority when those hired post-bankruptcy did not get a claim, note, PBGC, stock and an additional five years?

Help me understand Ryan's position on a special $$ bonus for a preferred Delta pilot.
aaaaaaand...... Ryan is out.
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Old 11-11-2022, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar View Post
Why would we not negotiate for ALL Delta pilots? Why is one group more special than the majority when those hired post-bankruptcy did not get a claim, note, PBGC, stock and an additional five years?

Help me understand Ryan's position on a special $$ bonus for a preferred Delta pilot.
He is trying to provide a roughly equal retirement benefit to all pilots. Kind of like when the company offered a flat 9% DC plan to all pilots plus the frozen DC plan. This provided senior pilots a bigger retirement benefit so the union in the interest of fairness elected to target the DC plan awarding senior pilots 0 to 2 or 3% while some junior pilots got as high as 18%. If the defined benefit plan were to be subsequently terminated the DC plan was supposed to be retargeted to make up that loss to senior pilots. When the defined benefit plan was in fact terminated retargeting the DC plan was deemed to unpopular and it went to a flat rate.
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Old 11-11-2022, 01:46 PM
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When the defined benefit plan was in fact terminated retargeting the DC plan was deemed to unpopular and it went to a flat rate.
True for fDAL pilots, not true for fNWA. For several years Senior NWA pilots got a much higher DC than the Junior folks. The SAME Junior folks they screwed over for plug & play super seniority for the 747 Captains (who got a 5 year fence anyway)….the bottom 300 NWA pilots hired in 2001 permanently Junior to 2007 Delta hires.
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Old 11-11-2022, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar View Post
Why would we not negotiate for ALL Delta pilots? Why is one group more special than the majority when those hired post-bankruptcy did not get a claim, note, PBGC, stock and an additional five years?

Help me understand Ryan's position on a special $$ bonus for a preferred Delta pilot.
You do know that those hired in the last few years at the same age that when you were hired will have millions more in DC than you will, right? All things being equal and all.
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Old 11-11-2022, 06:18 PM
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You do know that those hired in the last few years at the same age that when you were hired will have millions more in DC than you will, right? All things being equal and all.
I would.hope that's the case. Millions today equals millions and millions in thirty years.
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