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Old 11-16-2022 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
You're not understanding that most pilots hired in the last 15 years have no interest in "guaranteed returns," pensions, deferring taxes, or some third party entity managing our money. We have never seen this type of thing work out well.

Most of us expect (hope) to be in roughly the same tax bracket in retirement as we are now. We also are fairly certain tax rates will actually be higher by the time we retire. That's why we want to pay taxes now.
Ok, you want no more DC and want to pay taxes. I think you are overestimating what most of us want.
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Old 11-16-2022 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
We are opposed to it if it’s not optional. We really don’t need to debate further as it will not pass the pilot group if it’s not optional.
We are all for it if it's optional, just like we are all for world peace without war. It won't be optional. Having a MCBCP if you choose to overfund is a good ting. That's not flushing cash down the toilet, that's reallocating for efficiency and tax free capital growth.
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Old 11-16-2022 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Ok, you want no more DC and want to pay taxes. I think you are overestimating what most of us want.
why do you keep saying people want no more DC? We can have more DC without locking excess into a product many of us do not want
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Old 11-16-2022 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
I made more than 330k this year and would like to manage my own overage as I do now. Is a mandatory plan that captures that overage a bad thing?

yes. You do with your excess anything you want. Don’t commandeer mine.
You are already commandeering mine on behalf of the U.S. government. Congratulations by the way, and if you got 20% DC you'd have more. That doesn't happen without the MBCBP because you are effectively just asking for more wages.
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Old 11-16-2022 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Why are you opposed to it then? It's overages of a few thousand per year right?

Your hobby has nothing to do with my retirement.

You can preach all you want. I was in real-estate and got out (except for a few REITs) because I didn't want the exposure and my time was more valuable to me. I hope everyone takes your and trips advice, just do it with your own earnings. You are costing us all capital appreciation and tax efficiency. I'm not interested in your situation. I'm interested in the PWA and the tax efficiency that every pilot who doesn't choose to take your advice deserves.
Never once did I mention mountain bikes, hiking or sports cars.

I'm not sure what exposure or workload you were concerned about that drove you out of real estate. If you ask for advice vs making assumptions you would be surprised to learn how little time is spent on a properly structured portfolio. Landlording single family value add is for people with more time than money, but that is the assumption people make when they don't know the options. Owning apartments, self storage, NNN or pooling funds to be a hard money lender are what people with pilot sized income/assets do.
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Old 11-16-2022 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
You are already commandeering mine on behalf of the U.S. government. Congratulations by the way and if you got 20% DC you'd have more. That doesn't happen without the MCBP.
I’m not commandeering yours any more than you’re commandeering your own through taxes, so put that stupid notion to bed.

yes, I would have more with a higher DC percentage. There’s no reason that needs to come with a mandatory MBCBP except you saying so.
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Old 11-16-2022 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
I’m not commandeering yours any more than you’re commandeering your own through taxes, so put that stupid notion to bed.

yes, I would have more with a higher DC percentage. There’s no reason that needs to come with a mandatory MBCBP except you saying so.
Your stupid notion that overages aren't retirement money needs to be put to bed. Without a tax sheltered place to grow retirement funds there's no argument for more DC.
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Old 11-16-2022 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
We are all for it if it's optional, just like we are all for world peace without war. It won't be optional. Having a MCBCP if you choose to overfund is a good ting. That's not flushing cash down the toilet, that's reallocating for efficiency and tax free capital growth.
You can believe what you want to believe, but this plan is not coming to Delta if it's not optional. My money, my control. End of Story

Go take your excess DC and buy Municipal bonds since you're all about chasing tax shelters

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Old 11-16-2022 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
. I hope everyone takes your and trips advice, just do it with your own earnings.
The irony of saying this while advocating for a mandatory MBCBP is so delicious
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Old 11-16-2022 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Your stupid notion that overages aren't retirement money needs to be put to bed.
they’re money paid to me. All money is “retirement” money. You labeling 401k excess as such isn’t a compelling argument for locking mine away in a product I don’t want.
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