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Old 11-16-2022 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
I agree completely but optionality lives in fantasy land so we will have to face this decision as a group.
No we won't. It won't make it into the eventual TA without optionality.
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Old 11-16-2022 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by MJP27
No we won't. It won't make it into the eventual TA without optionality.
I deeply hope this is true, and will make sure my reps know that. Hopefully we all do so
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Old 11-16-2022 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
LMAO….I got time today for you Boog.

First, please, tell me, with quotes included, HOW was my tune different? I have never supported any Min Balance silliness.

2nd, worried about losing my A seat? I did lose my ultra junior ATL 717A seat and went to senior 73NB FO were I made more than I did a reserve 717A 4-5 leg days over the weekend(and Holidays)specialist.
Of course someone like you would not support something that not only would help you, but someone that lost more than you can even imagine. While you use the example of roughing it at the regionals, we know that’s really not your case.

As far as making more money as a B, of course. Everyone knows that is how it works. Why do you constantly have to blow your own horn about your earnings, business’, yearly returns, newspaper articles. Odd if you ask me but whatever.
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Old 11-16-2022 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
I want to increase DC. I don’t want to shelter those funds in the same way you do. Nowhere in PWA 26 is a low-performing fund prescribed, so I’m not sure where “as intended” comes from.
It's literally the first clause. You have not read it.

1. A pilot (or 13 B. 3. pilot) will be eligible to participate in the DPSP, including a cash or deferred arrangement, which is intended to qualify under Section 401(k) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as amended. The cash or deferred arrangement will not have the effect of reducing other pay-related benefits provided by the Company.
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Old 11-16-2022 | 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
It's literally the first clause. You have not read it.

1. A pilot (or 13 B. 3. pilot) will be eligible to participate in the DPSP, including a cash or deferred arrangement, which is intended to qualify under Section 401(k) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as amended. The cash or deferred arrangement will not have the effect of reducing other pay-related benefits provided by the Company.
weirdly, a non-optional MBCBP isn’t listed there, but the intent of overages is clearly spelled out in 26.M.2.

too bad you didn’t read that.
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Old 11-16-2022 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by MJP27
No we won't. It won't make it into the eventual TA without optionality.
We have already negotiated it. Its in the process of approval now, but will be held up indefinitely if we don't fix what the IRS wants.
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Old 11-16-2022 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Crown
this has been my argument against a Min Balance plan since the get-go. Why should I, me, not be able to take MY money and invest it where I want? What if I want to use that money to prop up a friend's small business? What if I want to use the excess to support my parents? What if I want to take it to Vegas and put it on black? That should be my choice and my choice alone. Not the choice of DZers who will apparently never have enough money.
Because the excess money that is slated for retirement is not qualified. It is negotiated as retirement and there should be a vehicle to have that excess qualified. This is why pilots are dumb. Do you see Ed or any high income earner taking all their money as a paycheck? No, they try and get as much deffered income as possible.
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Old 11-16-2022 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by scrmhalf
Because the excess money that is slated for retirement is not qualified. It is negotiated as retirement and there should be a vehicle to have that excess qualified. This is why pilots are dumb. Do you see Ed or any high income earner taking all their money as a paycheck? No, they try and get as much deffered income as possible.
You do realize when you pull it out of the MBCBP it'll be taxed as INCOME. Executives get stock options which is a totally different thing.
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Old 11-16-2022 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
weirdly, a non-optional MBCBP isn’t listed there, but the intent of overages is clearly spelled out in 26.M.2.

too bad you didn’t read that.
M. Excess Payments on Account of Limits under the DPSP

This is the section you are referring to and it exists only because otherwise it could be argued that overages could be forfeited. We are limited, that's the only reason you get overages.
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Old 11-16-2022 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Softheborder


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62% of Delta Pilots have been hired post Bankruptcy. The are few to no true Deadzoners left. Write your Reps…the Min balance can be dropped for some Sec 23 QOL improvements for the ENTIRE list.
I don’t know where the 62% number comes from? The people hired just after bankruptcy (for 5 or 6 years) suffered under a crappy contract … they know what QOL needs to be brought back. Very few here have seen what a good contract looks like.
There is plenty of cash to go around not some false pie argument.
ALL areas need improvement.
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