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Old 11-16-2022 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
I don't know why this is a concern. The PM was changed under the Bartels Admin weakening the MEC Chair. The MEC, not the MEC Chair, sends direction to the NC. MEC Chair these days is simply administrative

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So you had no problem with RS? After all he’s just an administrator right? A TA1 supporter has no place at the top of our MEC. That was a debacle.
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Old 11-16-2022 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Another tempest in a teapot. Have you guys all forgotten about Memory Rat? Nothing is over until we say its over! What happened when Mike Donatelli went all in for TA-1? The wisdom of the masses prevailed and that turd was flushed. In the connected high information world of the interwebs the MEC Chair is more like an Admin Officer than a CO. The days of uninformed Pilots blindly following Union recommendations are history. Yes he is in a "Leadership" position but his real power is minimal. Look what happened to the UAL MEC guy after their MEC passed and started to push the Turd Tumi TA, a one way ticket to Palookaville - his dreams of National Office shattered. Sell out your constituents and that is what happens.

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Nothing is over until we decide it is. Was it over when the .. Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell naw

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Old 11-16-2022 | 07:40 PM
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A TA-1 supporter that was also against the Strike Vote? If this is true, how does this receive even 1 vote, much less 9 votes?

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Old 11-16-2022 | 08:22 PM
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Boggles my mind.

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Old 11-16-2022 | 09:11 PM
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Is the rank and file going to cut this off at the head? I think the recall motions should start ASAP…

Idk if ATL is a company fortress, but there are clear issues in NYC. DTW and SLC can do better too.
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Old 11-16-2022 | 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 20Fathoms
He was a TA1 supporter? I don’t know the guy, but considering that would make him more pro-company even than sailing, I’m not getting the warm fuzzies.
Strange I did not support TA1 and voted against it.
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Old 11-17-2022 | 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Strange I did not support TA1 and voted against it.
What’s strange about it? Did you not read the post that you quoted? You voted against it, the new chair apparently supported it. Ergo, he is more pro-company than you. Which is exactly what I wrote.
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Old 11-17-2022 | 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
9 votes for Hartmann


DTW - Bell & Hartmann (Hartmann proxy to Bell)
ATL - Marcos, Archer, Templin, Dann-Messier
NYC - Cervantes
SLC - Harper & Bradley
The NY FO rep didn’t support his outgoing Capt rep? WTF?
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Old 11-17-2022 | 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by fishforfun
The NY FO rep didn’t support his outgoing Capt rep? WTF?
I wouldn't have supported him either for what its worth, but I sure as hell would over the clown act we just got put in. For those that are touting its just a figurehead, that guy represents all of us. He is the face that speaks on our behalf. The company no longer (imo) sees us as both an asset and a cost. We are now simply a cost to be controlled on the balance sheet. This Hartman guy had better understand that. The Professional pleasantries of the past and a strong desire to "work together" for the good of the company are long gone. You have to have a level of respect, and that just flat out doesn't exist on the companies side. Hartman needs to grab a pair and recognize that we are now in a business is business relationship. We don't need to get along with management, we just have to work with them.
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Old 11-17-2022 | 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by vyperdriver
I wouldn't have supported him either for what its worth, but I sure as hell would over the clown act we just got put in. For those that are touting its just a figurehead, that guy represents all of us. He is the face that speaks on our behalf. The company no longer (imo) sees us as both an asset and a cost. We are now simply a cost to be controlled on the balance sheet. This Hartman guy had better understand that. The Professional pleasantries of the past and a strong desire to "work together" for the good of the company are long gone. You have to have a level of respect, and that just flat out doesn't exist on the companies side. Hartman needs to grab a pair and recognize that we are now in a business is business relationship. We don't need to get along with management, we just have to work with them.
Honest question, why wouldn’t you have supported him? I’ve had nothing but good interactions showing to be a strong pilot advocate.

But really I just want someone that will continue what you pointed out. After TA1 and more so during Covid, there has been a distinct change with how we are viewed/treated. We just need someone that will hold the line.
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