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Old 11-19-2022 | 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
So that means they are making normal pay. I am not sure why there is a problem with that. They are getting the same overall pay as anyone doing ALPA work. They are not double dipping as implied.
Sounds like it's double what a regular line pilot would get. I'll have to remember that if I go on disability. I would investigate the heck out of reroutes for that cash.
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Old 11-19-2022 | 05:32 AM
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So, is this accurate? If a line pilot goes out on disability he will eventually get 50% FAE just by sitting at home with his feet propped up. IF he choose to work(whether it be for ALPA or for McDonalds) he can make up to 100% of what his FAE was and then the disability is offset 1:1 . The only way to make more would be if his other job paid more than FAE at which point the disability payment would be 0??? That about right?

If the above is correct, what's the problem?

IOW ....to make double what the line pilot makes in disability you actually have to work. I know....kinda a strange concept for those that roll thunder with PB days
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Old 11-19-2022 | 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
So, is this accurate? If a line pilot goes out on disability he will eventually get 50% FAE just by sitting at home with his feet propped up. IF he choose to work(whether it be for ALPA or for McDonalds) he can make up to 100% of what his FAE was and then the disability is offset 1:1 . The only way to make more would be if his other job paid more than FAE at which point the disability payment would be 0??? That about right?

If the above is correct, what's the problem?

IOW ....to make double what the line pilot makes in disability you actually have to work. I know....kinda a strange concept for those that roll thunder with PB days
Rolling thunder means you were actually working on your OFF days. You obviously don't know how this works. And a full pay plus up for ALPA work riding a desk with 0 responsibility sounds like a better gig than McDs.
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Old 11-19-2022 | 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Rolling thunder means you were actually working on your off days. You obviously don't know how this works. And a plus up for ALPA work riding a desk with 0 responsibility sounds like a better gig than McDs.
Oh, I know exactly how rolling thunder works. You do work on your "off" days which prevents you from having any "on" days. Consequently, you work a "normal line schedule" and make a lot more than the normal line pilot. That is all besides the point.

Germane to this discussion, the option is sit at home and make 50% or work and make 100%. If you had a great ALPA rep who lost his medical,would you be in favor of making him step down because he would be "double dipping" according to your logic?

I wouldn't, but you are entitled to your opinion if you disagree.
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Old 11-19-2022 | 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Oh, I know exactly how rolling thunder works. You do work on your "off" days which prevents you from having any "on" days. Consequently, you work a "normal line schedule" and make a lot more than the normal line pilot. That is all besides the point.

Germane to this discussion, the option is sit at home and make 50% or work and make 100%. If you had a great ALPA rep who lost his medical,would you be in favor of making him step down because he would be "double dipping" according to your logic?

I wouldn't, but you are entitled to your opinion if you disagree.
Just wanted to highlight a few of your words...

It's a great deal, I agree. I'm all for good deals. We should make it available to everyone, kinda like reserve is.

I asked earlier but no response, how long has it been since the new MEC chairman flew the line?
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Old 11-19-2022 | 06:33 AM
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You didn't answer my question. Would you mandate that a great rep has to resign? IOW...you expect him to work for free or step down?

Not sure what good comes of that...seems more like, "He's getting a good deal (which he works for) ,therefor, I am against it"

Just food for thought...I'm out...... but in the ambivalent camp.
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Old 11-19-2022 | 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
You didn't answer my question. Would you mandate that a great rep has to resign? IOW...you expect him to work for free or step down?

Not sure what good comes of that...seems more like, "He's getting a good deal (which he works for) ,therefor, I am against it"

Just food for thought...I'm out...... but in the ambivalent camp.
I said its a great deal. And that I'm all for good deals. Er·go I am for this deal. I would even expand it to regular line pilots who want to volunteer while unfortunately on disability. Like reserve is available to all line pilots. My only question would be can we get the company to cover the FPL since we are doing their work for them, on the scheduling committee anyway. The new MEC chair was the LEC chair and a representative for the DTW pilots so I'm curious how long we have been providing this benefit for his good work. He sets a great example for how a pilot can contribute to the group and earn a full wage for it. We really need to expand this concept for the regular line pilot that is injured or has a health scare.
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Old 11-19-2022 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
So that means they are making normal pay. I am not sure why there is a problem with that. They are getting the same overall pay as anyone doing ALPA work. They are not double dipping as implied.
It’s not a windfall by any means, but it’s more than a line pilot could get since it takes you up to 94.5 a month. It’s certainly not double as some have said. I don’t think the issue is pay, because they are doing work for not a lot of extra pay especially when they could sit at home collecting a little less and doing nothing. I think the argument is it’s something not afforded to every pilot, but I could be wrong.

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Has this changed in the last few years? I tried to volunteer for the Scheduling Committee in 2019ish, even came in and met with KS. I was told that being on LTD was essentially a show-stopper, even if literally as a pure volunteer.



I would have loved to get that plus-up while making 50%. Or is this only for those on full FPL?
I’m not sure how long it has existed, but to my knowledge it started being used about 2 years ago.


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Old 11-19-2022 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by tunes
It’s not a windfall by any means, but it’s more than a line pilot could get since it takes you up to 94.5 a month. It’s certainly not double as some have said. I don’t think the issue is pay, because they are doing work for not a lot of extra pay especially when they could sit at home collecting a little less and doing nothing. I think the argument is it’s something not afforded to every pilot, but I could be wrong.



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I don't know what the ratio is for disability pay but my normal line months are built to 80ish. If disability is 50% that's 40 hours of pay. Obviously everyone's earning will vary over their preceding 12 months but wouldn't TLV which is 75-80 hours be a good guide? At 94.5 per month that's more than double, in fact it's 2.3625x. That can't be right, can it? Somebody help me with the math, I've thankfully never been on disability.
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Old 11-19-2022 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
I don't know what the ratio is for disability pay but my normal line months are built to 80ish. If disability is 50% that's 40 hours of pay. Obviously everyone's earning will vary over their preceding 12 months but wouldn't TLV which is 75-80 hours be a good guide? At 94.5 per month that's more than double, in fact it's 2.3625x. That can't be right, can it? Somebody help me with the math, I've thankfully never been on disability.

Again, I’m by no means an expert here but the stipend takes you from whatever your disability pay is that day up to 5:15 per day so I guess it depends on how many alpa days the pilot is doing


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