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Old 10-17-2023 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
My understanding is that other employees end up with the same percentage based as we do based of OUR negotiated PS terms. What we get is what is exactly what our PWA puts aside for our group, and our group alone. If I’m mistaken in this please someone correct me.
i know that what is written but i don’t believe that is what we actually get. There’s one pool of money for all eligible employees. It is divided by the total payroll for those same employees for the profit sharing percentage.
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Old 10-17-2023 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
the other employee groups' wages are not a variable in the pilots' profit sharing formula.
They absolutely are a variable, read the “Basis of Individual Award.”

“… as a percentage of total annual compensation for that year for all employees eligible for (a) the Delta Air Lines, Inc. Annual Profit Sharing Plan, or (b) the Delta Air Lines, Inc. Annual Profit Sharing Plan for Ground and Flight Attendant Employees.”

Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
My understanding is that other employees end up with the same percentage based as we do based of OUR negotiated PS terms. What we get is what is exactly what our PWA puts aside for our group, and our group alone. If I’m mistaken in this please someone correct me.
Our PWA sets the pool size. We get a proportion of that pool based on our wages compared to all other groups wages. The entire PWA pool is not given to the pilots. When the non-cons have the same calculation, the get the same %, and the rest of “our” pool.
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Old 10-17-2023 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bugman61
They absolutely are a variable, read the “Basis of Individual Award.”

“… as a percentage of total annual compensation for that year for all employees eligible for (a) the Delta Air Lines, Inc. Annual Profit Sharing Plan, or (b) the Delta Air Lines, Inc. Annual Profit Sharing Plan for Ground and Flight Attendant Employees.”



Our PWA sets the pool size. We get a proportion of that pool based on our wages compared to all other groups wages. The entire PWA pool is not given to the pilots. When the non-cons have the same calculation, the get the same %, and the rest of “our” pool.
I do think that pretty much everyone in this thread is saying essentially the same thing. The pilot pool for profit sharing is proportional to the pilots share of total wages.

At any rate, my guess is that we are looking at 11% +/- 1%. 13% might be in the cards if Q4 is an un-forecasted blowout far exceeding current guidance, but I’m not holding my breath. Hoping to be wrong.
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Old 10-17-2023 | 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by bugman61
They absolutely are a variable, read the “Basis of Individual Award.”

“… as a percentage of total annual compensation for that year for all employees eligible for (a) the Delta Air Lines, Inc. Annual Profit Sharing Plan, or (b) the Delta Air Lines, Inc. Annual Profit Sharing Plan for Ground and Flight Attendant Employees.”



Our PWA sets the pool size. We get a proportion of that pool based on our wages compared to all other groups wages. The entire PWA pool is not given to the pilots. When the non-cons have the same calculation, the get the same %, and the rest of “our” pool.
I would love to see the language on that if that’s true. Because contractually it’s ours. And if that’s the case the union should be enforcing our contractual language. I can’t believe they have been doing that for years and no one has said a word.
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Old 10-17-2023 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
I would love to see the language on that if that’s true. Because contractually it’s ours. And if that’s the case the union should be enforcing our contractual language. I can’t believe they have been doing that for years and no one has said a word.
The language is in 3.I. I quoted the applicable phrase above. There’s also an ALPA Contract Enforcement Update that comes out with the PS payment that explains it in more detail.

The pilots have never received the entire pool defined in the PWA, because the PWA language specifically only distributes a portion of the defined pool to the pilots. What happens to the rest of the pool is up to the company and whatever “agreement” they make with the non represented employees.
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Old 10-26-2023 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
I would love to see the language on that if that’s true. Because contractually it’s ours. And if that’s the case the union should be enforcing our contractual language. I can’t believe they have been doing that for years and no one has said a word.
The language used to not make sense. They fixed it in 2016 contract. ALPA said they changed the language because either way company wasn’t going to give us whole ps. I remember reading the language and thinking we were entitled more than we were getting, but ALPA disagreed and matched the language to how the company had been distributing it.
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