What management thinks of us
10-22-2023 | 07:49 PM
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Exactly. Our pilot group is already unified. We become even stronger during times like this. Holding ALPA accountable for their weak performance over the past 6 months is not a display of disunity — it’s a statement of the fact that this pilot group deserves much better from ALPA.
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10-22-2023 | 08:27 PM
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Unfortunately until the labor law is changed it is what it is. We as employees have to tread more lightly than the employer. That is the reality. You do something they deem “bad”, they fire you, get your job back in a year. Who suffered during that year? Definitely not the company. That is why having a somewhat ethical employer in this field is important, if such exists.
10-23-2023 | 01:03 AM
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See that's what you don't get. "ALPA" isn't "Unity". ALPA itself is split 8-7 and can't even row themselves in the same direction. "Unity" is the pilot group and we need to demand better leadership. Not a bunch of self serving company lap dogs who won't address this problem at hand. Who mostly created the problem by their weakness and caving in to the scary lady in RDU.
10-23-2023 | 03:11 AM
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See that's what you don't get. "ALPA" isn't "Unity". ALPA itself is split 8-7 and can't even row themselves in the same direction. "Unity" is the pilot group and we need to demand better leadership. Not a bunch of self serving company lap dogs who won't address this problem at hand. Who mostly created the problem by their weakness and caving in to the scary lady in RDU.
10-23-2023 | 05:34 AM
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Is there a new APC competition to see who can get voted into the "basket of deplorables"? Seems like "one-upmanship" for recalcitrance has reached the boiling point.
The surefire winners posts will have "Eff management, they don't respect me" combined with "Eff ALPA, they don't respect me" topped off with a dose of "Eff me, I don't respect myself for all the previous contracts that got voted in".
That about cover it? We s seem to be getting a coalition of strange bedfellows, who's sole common theme is a pizzed off attitude.
The surefire winners posts will have "Eff management, they don't respect me" combined with "Eff ALPA, they don't respect me" topped off with a dose of "Eff me, I don't respect myself for all the previous contracts that got voted in".
That about cover it? We s seem to be getting a coalition of strange bedfellows, who's sole common theme is a pizzed off attitude.
10-23-2023 | 06:44 AM
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Is there a new APC competition to see who can get voted into the "basket of deplorables"? Seems like "one-upmanship" for recalcitrance has reached the boiling point.
The surefire winners posts will have "Eff management, they don't respect me" combined with "Eff ALPA, they don't respect me" topped off with a dose of "Eff me, I don't respect myself for all the previous contracts that got voted in".
That about cover it? We s seem to be getting a coalition of strange bedfellows, who's sole common theme is a pizzed off attitude.
The surefire winners posts will have "Eff management, they don't respect me" combined with "Eff ALPA, they don't respect me" topped off with a dose of "Eff me, I don't respect myself for all the previous contracts that got voted in".
That about cover it? We s seem to be getting a coalition of strange bedfellows, who's sole common theme is a pizzed off attitude.
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10-23-2023 | 06:55 AM
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Exactly. Our pilot group is already unified. We become even stronger during times like this. Holding ALPA accountable for their weak performance over the past 6 months is not a display of disunity — it’s a statement of the fact that this pilot group deserves much better from ALPA.
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10-23-2023 | 07:30 AM
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Exactly. Our pilot group is already unified. We become even stronger during times like this. Holding ALPA accountable for their weak performance over the past 6 months is not a display of disunity — it’s a statement of the fact that this pilot group deserves much better from ALPA.
10-23-2023 | 07:35 AM
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Management is taking full advantage of the generational shift created by Covid and the VEOP. The institutional knowledge lost when most, if not all, of the bankruptcy era direct operational experience walked out the door will never be replaced. The new crop of Delta pilots will never know what they don't know. Even the furloughed pilots weren't here voting on this stuff and/or weren't on property when the US Air threat happened. It is the responsibility of the old "now senior" pilots to preach the tactics of management. Even if the younger generation ignores you with the ear pods, you have to keep telling the stories. Embrace your inner curmudgeon. They don't know how bad it can get, hopefully they will only know in tales and legends of yore.
10-23-2023 | 07:38 AM
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This statement from management is ridiculous, infuriates me and just stinks of their lack of personal and institutional integrity, but so much of the anger that I hear seems like we’d be kicking ourselves in the junk to get back at them. We’re the ones who will be here long term - so we’re the ones who will suffer if we make our company worse again. I don’t see the long term win in punishing our customers and ourselves in the long game. So my real question, probably for the MEC too, is how do we not injure ourselves and yet bring this insanity and poor leadership to account? Is it even possible? What matters to them but not to our long term customers?
Management is taking full advantage of the generational shift created by Covid and the VEOP. The institutional knowledge lost when most if not all of the bankruptcy era direct operational experience walked out the door will never be replaced. The new crop of Delta pilots will never know what they don't know. Even the furloughed pilots weren't here voting on this stuff and/or weren't on property when the US Air threat happened. It is the responsibility of the old "now senior" pilots to preach the tactics of management. Even if the younger generation ignores you with the ear pods, you have to keep telling the stories. Embrace your inner curmudgeon. They don't know how bad it can get, hopefully they will only know in tales and legends of yore.
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