DYW717B to NYC330B
01-09-2024 | 01:51 PM
#51
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From: N60.4858 W149.9327
01-09-2024 | 02:18 PM
#52
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I get how the current system is a cost saving feature for the company. That was my point about OOBWS over GS reducing the aggregate value of the PWA. I won't begrudge anyone exercising a contractual right, but I have also politely shared my viewpoint face to face on the matter. No drama ensued much to the disappointment of those who think such a conversation demands a verbal assault and a call to pro stans.
BTW, "politely sharing" in such a situation is probably viewed as passive aggressive. Good strategy on the flight deck.
01-09-2024 | 02:40 PM
#53
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Meh, I wouldn't give a crap if someone said that to me. I have zero problem discussing this type of stuff with people, even if we disagree, as in this case. Someone has to be a bit weak if they can't debate stuff like this with someone who may disagree with them.
01-09-2024 | 02:49 PM
#54
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I agree, but there are power imbalances senior/junior A/B etc. Often times people just play along because it's a work environment. I tend to not say much unless the other person brings it up, then I'm honest and civil. Sometimes it enhances communication, often times it does not.
01-09-2024 | 04:17 PM
#56
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You brought this exact scenario up months ago. I still can't believe you would discuss this with someone exercising their contractual right. If you have a problem with the coverage ladder, email your rep.
BTW, "politely sharing" in such a situation is probably viewed as passive aggressive. Good strategy on the flight deck.
BTW, "politely sharing" in such a situation is probably viewed as passive aggressive. Good strategy on the flight deck.
01-09-2024 | 04:38 PM
#57
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I get how the current system is a cost saving feature for the company. That was my point about OOBWS over GS reducing the aggregate value of the PWA. I won't begrudge anyone exercising a contractual right, but I have also politely shared my viewpoint face to face on the matter. No drama ensued much to the disappointment of those who think such a conversation demands a verbal assault and a call to pro stans.
I don’t live in any base and don’t care which base I fly out of. I sometimes drop some or all of my schedule, then WS/OOBWS whatever rotations work best. We already have a contractual mechanism that restricts excessive WS and OOBWS from devaluing our contract - the WS pickup limit.
01-09-2024 | 05:24 PM
#58
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Names have been remembered for OOBWS?? Interesting. Maybe someone will look up my OOBWS this month and put me on a list..........
01-09-2024 | 05:53 PM
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01-09-2024 | 07:46 PM
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You brought this exact scenario up months ago. I still can't believe you would discuss this with someone exercising their contractual right. If you have a problem with the coverage ladder, email your rep.
BTW, "politely sharing" in such a situation is probably viewed as passive aggressive. Good strategy on the flight deck.
BTW, "politely sharing" in such a situation is probably viewed as passive aggressive. Good strategy on the flight deck.
I get the point someone else made regarding A/B. I haven't come across a Captain on an OOBWS, it's only been other FOs. When WBA finally happens I'll reign in OOBWS opinions with the Bs. I'll also refrain from discussing Ferrari maintenance tips, finding a hangar for my jet and progress on my Boat Captain license for my retirement yacht.
