I really hope we do something about the 23M7 farming that goes on. Every turn that comes into my category is held up all night long by guys who clearly have no intent of flying it. Not only does it slow down the coverage for the company, but it also slows down the coverage for those of us who live in base..

 

I hope it changes in the next contract, but only because the company offers us something good in exchange for that change. It is THEIR problem to fix.

 

Since you’re junior to me SEA welcomes you young Padawan . Just make sure you have buttocks of steel though as those MIA-SEA and SEA-KOA legs can hit 7 plus hours sometimes.

Still it’s a lot of 1 leg a day flying and a ton of NEO flying so you don’t have to actually strain yourself dialing in frequencies.

 

I would like to see batch sizes restored and RCOS payments. Kind of like it was after LOA 20-04.

A5S

 

A 23M7 counter would be a good idea. I also wouldn't be opposed to some close in timeline that skips OOBWS. I use OOBWS, but I don't auto accept and then never reject stuff I'm not going to fly. Watched as a trip sat on three different O lines with no rejection before going IA. These guys are just fishing. Off course I'd prefer they start coverage sooner and have a more automated process.

 

Oh I know I would love it. No issue with those 7 hour legs. They only suck when my garbage ATL trip makes me deadhead same day to MIA or FLL to then operate. That should be a war crime.

 

I am seeing this 23M7 counter idea making the rounds, but how exactly will it work? Let’s say the 1st 23M7 payout is a 5:15 and goes to the #1 guy and then there is a 2nd 23M7 payout for 15:45…now that would go to #2 eventhough #1 got skipped again? Will #1 be able to go back and say I want the 15:45 I was skipped for and give #2 the 5:15? Management should probably just fix their trip coverage problem…

 

And then you will have many pilots submitting blanket GS requests (with zero desire to fly one) just to get the batch size penalty payments. Many have done so...and will again.

So...how do we have a system that allows for pilots to have blanket WS and GS requests in, in case an ideal trip pops up...while still keeping it a proffer (GS were not a proffer pre-ARCOS; if you answered the phone and you were otherwise legal to fly the trip as published, it was yours and you were obligated to fly it)...while not incentivizing sharpshooters and open time farmers to Gumm up the system with deliberate slowdown efforts, just to either "stick it to the company" or collect a 23.M.7 or ARCOS batch size violation payout--without which in the contract they likely would not have submitted a slip request to begin with?

I don't know the answer. As I have said before, there is an elegant solution out there. I am confident that the ALPA side, with enough brainstorming, can arrive at a great solution. We have some very smart pilots at this airline. Whether the "in over their heads" folks at the company will agree to something is another thing.

 

Hey, why not just have a seniority assignment before an inverse assignment? Let the pilots who Auto Accept and Auto Acknowledge go and fly the trips they've accepted and acknowledged in seniority order. Just put it on their line. If they need to use the proffer, then they call in (or electronically indicate) that they've made a mistake (child care, forgot and drank a beer, whatever) but 99% of the time just go fly the trip the pilot has AA and AA.

Our ***ASSOCIATION ****ED UP*** by allowing 23 M. 7. and now that the Association's action has proved unpopular with line pilots who are getting screwed we have some "powerful people" thinking they can decide what an unfair deal is and "take action against a pilot." ... wait, isn't that management's job, to discipline pilots?

So, a Rep writes he will "take action against pilots." I have questions.

Better yet, let us just fix the problem that the association's agreement with management created, please.

 

Could be done a couple different ways. You don't get M7#2 until everyone else on the callout list gets M7#1. Or you could just say that they don't get another M7 over the footprint of the trip they've already received M7. This makes the most sense because you were made whole for the entirety of that footprint and wouldn't have been to get anything else if you had flown it anyway.

Your posed scenario is different than when you accept an less desirable GS then an hour later a much better GS pops...you already made your bed, cost of doing business.



I don't disagree, but you crap in one hand....you know the rest.