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Old 02-09-2026 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
Virgin covers LHR
Delta flys CDG
KLM does AMS

Skyteam has it all covered :/
DL and AF fly to CDG from LAX. And in NYC and ATL all four airline fly the same routes. It just seems odd that LAX is the anomaly. Its LA, not Kansas City.
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Old 02-09-2026 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Tinpusher007
DL and AF fly to CDG from LAX. And in NYC and ATL all four airline fly the same routes. It just seems odd that LAX is the anomaly. Its LA, not Kansas City.
A long time ago we flew LAX LHR on the 7ER (with the condo!). I'm guessing it all comes down to slot allocations, codeshares, and best use of our assets (airframes). Just a guess.
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Old 02-09-2026 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by HTBH
So for SLC, we've still got a trip or two to go. CDG, LHR, AMS, ICN. Some of which have seasonal ups and downs I think. I don't think HNL counts (it's seasonal as well). FCO would still only put it at 5. I'm still surprised SLC doesn't have a GRU trip out of there. Delta basically gives up all traffic to South America west of the Mississippi to LATAM out of LAX.
SLC-HNL is 1x daily year round. And during winter it peaks at 2x daily. SLC-OGG is 1x daily, and peaks around winter holidays to 2x daily. SLC-KOA is 1x daily in the winter. I can see SLC to Hawaii's being quite sustainable, if not growing. Anyone who knows the local market understands the demand is there. It's mostly 763 for now, but 330 is likely inevitable long term.


And for what it's worth, network has said 4 year round daily WB departures for a domicile in the past. At least that's what they've discussed with specifically with SLC, and was the justification back when they announced their plans in the AE memos ~4 years ago (then pulled back due to being unsure if 330 would be long term fleet).
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Old 02-09-2026 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Tinpusher007
DL and AF fly to CDG from LAX. And in NYC and ATL all four airline fly the same routes. It just seems odd that LAX is the anomaly. Its LA, not Kansas City.
Just a guess, but there are some markets where the point of sale is mostly Americans, on others it's mostly foreign, and some where it's split. In general, where POS is predominantly foreign, the JV host country preferably operates. I'd guess LAX does well with foreign POS and the stage is relatively long, and they are lower cost operators.
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Old 02-10-2026 | 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by saturn
Just a guess, but there are some markets where the point of sale is mostly Americans, on others it's mostly foreign, and some where it's split. In general, where POS is predominantly foreign, the JV host country preferably operates. I'd guess LAX does well with foreign POS and the stage is relatively long, and they are lower cost operators.
Hence why our MCO-LHR stuck around for one winter only, however Virgin seems to fly it 100 times a day
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Old 02-10-2026 | 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Tinpusher007
DL and AF fly to CDG from LAX. And in NYC and ATL all four airline fly the same routes. It just seems odd that LAX is the anomaly. It’s LA, not Kansas City.
It has alway been that way. The competition in LAX is extreme- the big three, AS and WN have a massive presence and that doesn’t include all the foreign carries at the Bradley terminal.

Just be thankful for what it is now. When I hired on there were less than 60 NB B’s based there, a small ER base and most of it was subbed out to AS. It took them 8 years to figure out that market and start to even grow it. You get the weather and outdoor things to do, but arguably the worst flying. Get to a WB, fly your SYD and enjoy 19+ days off a month. Spend the rest of the days doing what other states plan vacations around.
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Old 02-10-2026 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by CrazyEight
It has alway been that way. The competition in LAX is extreme- the big three, AS and WN have a massive presence and that doesn’t include all the foreign carries at the Bradley terminal.

Just be thankful for what it is now. When I hired on there were less than 60 NB B’s based there, a small ER base and most of it was subbed out to AS. It took them 8 years to figure out that market and start to even grow it. You get the weather and outdoor things to do, but arguably the worst flying. Get to a WB, fly your SYD and enjoy 19+ days off a month. Spend the rest of the days doing what other states plan vacations around.
some might say we should close LAX pilot base and open AUS…..
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Old 02-10-2026 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish
some might say we should close LAX pilot base and open AUS…..
No, just open AUS.
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Old 02-10-2026 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
No, just open AUS.
Close every base, open AUS, 350/787 only carrier 👍
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Old 02-10-2026 | 04:26 PM
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