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02-28-2026 | 07:36 AM

#261

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Originally Posted by AirCoxswain

The idea that the 321 neo can't do SEA/LAX is Hawaii is total nonsense. I've only flown it transcon, but SEA-FLL is just as long as SEA-HNL. That's just a joke. I've done those routes starting with 75% fuel and landed with 1.5 hours FOB. There are plenty of reasons network chooses to use a 757 when one is available. I'd guess the main one is cargo. It could also be that it's a leisure market, so they want to put the lower customer experience on that route. It could also be that the 757 is less bad relative to the 321 neo on operational costs doing that instead of more legs domestically.

I don't think you can compare apples to oranges.

There is a significant difference in planning/dispatching between SEA-FLL and SEA-HNL. Can the airplane fly the distance? Sure, but can the airplane do it, meet all regulatory requirements, and have an alternate, etc.?

02-28-2026 | 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo

That's not the answer.

why are you playing “I’ve got a secret”

I’ve already postulated that the likley cause was us ordering our ETOPS NEOs without the 2nd ACT. Everything I have seen/heard has pointed to that. Another poster said that wasn’t the issue. If it’s something else I’d love to hear it but given everything I’ve seen that seems like the most likely culprit

02-28-2026 | 08:09 AM

#263

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Originally Posted by DeltaN900DE

IFE’s, Heavier FC recliners can all make a difference, more conservative fuel planning, everything can make a small difference. AA even used the CEO to Hawaii, so a plane thats 15% more efficient should be fine.

it should be fine, do AAs CEOs have the 2nd ACT?

02-28-2026 | 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Gone Flying

it should be fine, do AAs CEOs have the 2nd ACT?

IIRC only HA has 321neo’s with a 2nd ACT out of the NA carriers. Their CEO’s all have 2 ACT’s I think.

02-28-2026 | 10:11 AM

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Good thing we didn’t plumb our NEOs for that 2nd ACT

02-28-2026 | 10:26 AM

#266

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Originally Posted by DeltaN900DE

IIRC only HA has 321neo’s with a 2nd ACT out of the NA carriers. Their CEO’s all have 2 ACT’s I think.

I was told AAs ETOPS 321NEOs do as well.

02-28-2026 | 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Gone Flying

I was told AAs ETOPS 321NEOs do as well.

Could be right, and they also do DFW-ANC as well which is close to 7hrs, so 2 ACT might be true.

02-28-2026 | 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Thruster

Just like everyone else flies 737’s to the islands but we couldn’t figure it out.

Most of Island 737 flights were exclusively on the 800. This includes Alaska, which has plenty of 900ERs.

We thought we could do it with 900ERs….we couldn’t.

02-28-2026 | 12:41 PM

#269

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Originally Posted by DeltaN900DE

is it just me or does DL seem to have more conservative flight planning than some other airlines? Or is it just the pilots complain more and the planes are actually performing well.

No, we just use the wrong variants/options.

02-28-2026 | 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SampsonSimpson

No, we just use the wrong variants/options.

Don’t ya know Delta makes all the wrong decisions and somehow manages to make the most every year?

Reality is every carrier has to PO plenty of flights. It’s an echo chamber of thinking Delta is the largest victim to PO issues.