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02-26-2026 | 10:20 AM

#241

1Taco

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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano

It makes one wonder why we bought 737's with SATCOM to begin with. It seemed like a god idea at the time, I suppose.

I thought it was for the Hawaii flying they did for that brief stint.

02-26-2026 | 12:17 PM

#242

GliderCFI

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I wish, just once, that we'd just order airplanes fully loaded to their max potential. No underpaying for lower weights, no skipping the extra fuel tank, no skimping on comms and theatre potential. Just buy the things plumbed for tomorrow's undetermined mission instead of yesterday's usual mission.

02-26-2026 | 04:10 PM

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Verdell

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Originally Posted by GliderCFI

I'd rather Delta did not go the way of Pan Am. I think a hedged strategy is more prudent vs going all-in.

02-26-2026 | 04:22 PM

#244

GliderCFI

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Originally Posted by Verdell

I'd rather Delta did not go the way of Pan Am. I think a hedged strategy is more prudent vs going all-in.

There's a big difference between buying airplanes with a slightly improved performance package over the base model, and flying empty 747's to the Caribbean and failing to have a domestic feed network because you made too many political enemies. Nowhere near comparable.

02-26-2026 | 04:28 PM

#245

mattmatt

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have to save satcom aircraft for atl-mob and msp-msn

02-26-2026 | 09:37 PM

#246

All 5 Stages

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Originally Posted by crazyjaydawg

I just think TechOps just doesn’t want to take ownership of a challenge when they don’t directly see the value firsthand. It’s the “Delta Difference” stay in your department’s silo and don’t do anything that inconveniences your division even if it supports the company at large.

Could also be the "Stay in your lane" mentality -- just do what you know and shaddup about what you think might help.

A5S

02-27-2026 | 11:30 AM

#247

Hotel Kilo

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Originally Posted by Trip7

Apparently the word from higher ups is moving a small subfleet of 900s just to WAT is akin to building a YYZ style deicing facility in ATL. After they got rid of the 737-700 because it was only 10 plan.

Alas, it doesn't matter anymore as the NEO has taken over the WAT flying

Yet somehow tech ops manged to do it for our ill fated 73-9 adventures to Hawaii. Also they managed to do it on the 75s with SATCOM on the routes they used to fly as well. It's not hard, it's just being lazy.

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Originally Posted by crazyjaydawg

But I have to wonder why they say that. Honestly it’s a mix of laziness and incompetence.

Clearly they make it work when they have to, i.e. the A319s to BDA.

I just think TechOps just doesn’t want to take ownership of a challenge when they don’t directly see the value firsthand. It’s the “Delta Difference” stay in your department’s silo and don’t do anything that inconveniences your division even if it supports the company at large.

Love our tech ops folks, best in the biz, but yeah it's pretty much laziness at the managerial level there.

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Originally Posted by 1Taco

I thought it was for the Hawaii flying they did for that brief stint.

Correcto.

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Originally Posted by All 5 Stages

Could also be the "Stay in your lane" mentality -- just do what you know and shaddup about what you think might help.

A5S

Somewhat, yes. Mostly lazy managerial level stuff inside tech ops.

02-27-2026 | 12:41 PM

#248

Gone Flying

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Looks like 34 more 321NEOs. That puts us at 189NEO orders/deliveries + 36 options.

i wonder if these will be ETOPS w/ the second aft fuel tank.

02-27-2026 | 01:23 PM

#249

DeltaN900DE

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Originally Posted by Gone Flying

Looks like 34 more 321NEOs. That puts us at 189NEO orders/deliveries + 36 options.

i wonder if these will be ETOPS w/ the second aft fuel tank.

I think they are already heavier than expected so the extra tank won't help a lot with them staying at 93.5t TOW. they could easily install 2 ACT's in the current birds too.

02-27-2026 | 03:17 PM

#250

Gone Flying

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Originally Posted by DeltaN900DE

I think they are already heavier than expected so the extra tank won't help a lot with them staying at 93.5t TOW. they could easily install 2 ACT's in the current birds too.

Hawaiian flies their 321NEOs all the way to SLC. AA flies theirs from PHX to the Hawaiian islands. Both of these fly standard NEOs, not LRs or XLRs, and have a MTOW of 93.5t. I’ve talked to pilots from both who are surprised we are having the issues we do, and every time it’s mentioned here, the answer always seems to come back to the 2nd ACT. But if it’s a weight issue they could get 321s all the way to 101t.