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02-27-2026 | 04:08 PM
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Hawaiian flies their 321NEOs all the way to SLC. AA flies theirs from PHX to the Hawaiian islands. Both of these fly standard NEOs, not LRs or XLRs, and have a MTOW of 93.5t. I’ve talked to pilots from both who are surprised we are having the issues we do, and every time it’s mentioned here, the answer always seems to come back to the 2nd ACT. But if it’s a weight issue they could get 321s all the way to 101t.
02-27-2026 | 06:25 PM
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02-27-2026 | 08:29 PM
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is it just me or does DL seem to have more conservative flight planning than some other airlines? Or is it just the pilots complain more and the planes are actually performing well.
02-27-2026 | 08:47 PM
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Hawaiian flies their 321NEOs all the way to SLC. AA flies theirs from PHX to the Hawaiian islands. Both of these fly standard NEOs, not LRs or XLRs, and have a MTOW of 93.5t. I’ve talked to pilots from both who are surprised we are having the issues we do, and every time it’s mentioned here, the answer always seems to come back to the 2nd ACT. But if it’s a weight issue they could get 321s all the way to 101t.
Hint: There's a difference between ours and theirs. That's your answer.
02-27-2026 | 08:49 PM
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02-28-2026 | 01:36 AM
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I don’t see much of a difference. And if it was the weight and not the 2nd ACT, we could always order the LR or XLR for the MTOW bump.
02-28-2026 | 03:51 AM
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IFE’s, Heavier FC recliners can all make a difference, more conservative fuel planning, everything can make a small difference. AA even used the CEO to Hawaii, so a plane thats 15% more efficient should be fine.
02-28-2026 | 04:00 AM
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02-28-2026 | 04:29 AM
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02-28-2026 | 06:40 AM
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The idea that the 321 neo can't do SEA/LAX is Hawaii is total nonsense. I've only flown it transcon, but SEA-FLL is just as long as SEA-HNL. That's just a joke. I've done those routes starting with 75% fuel and landed with 1.5 hours FOB. There are plenty of reasons network chooses to use a 757 when one is available. I'd guess the main one is cargo. It could also be that it's a leisure market, so they want to put the lower customer experience on that route. It could also be that the 757 is less bad relative to the 321 neo on operational costs doing that instead of more legs domestically.
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