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11-02-2025 | 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank Grimes

You were getting massive IA calls at 3am that were a free for all and you had zero chance of getting the trip. Now you have a choice whether you get calls or not.

Don't want a call, don't put a QS in.

Why do you think this will increase phone calls you don't want?

My comment was in reply to GogglesPisano who stated:

"I'd just appreciate not being ARCOS'd at 3am when I have zero chance of actually being awarded the GS."

Well, now it won't be a 3am ARCOS blast for a GS (pre-MOU 20-04) or phone blast for IAs (post Batch Size Giveaway) ... it'll be 3am ARCOS blasts for a QS.

A5S

11-02-2025 | 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 172skychicken

I don't see how the behavior is going to change when they are already letting trips sit in opentime.

Not on my fleet. GSs often go out 24-48 hours prior to report. Of course, there’s still a good amount of <8 hour GS, but nothing really sits long.

11-02-2025 | 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by notEnuf

Put yourself in the schedulers shoes. They can't do their job now and we just gave them an easy button. GS = dodo bird.

but this could have already happened with a skip to inverse assignment, yet they still used green slips.

11-02-2025 | 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish

except it’s not IA, in fact it’s the opposite of IA.

whatever, the point is moo.

yeah, which is better. it makes it into a step that respects seniority instead of a free-for-all…and makes the tracking easier

11-02-2025 | 08:30 AM

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Additional thought, the company just added more to our negotiation plate. Unless the QS concept works flawlessly, there will be tweaks after pilots complain. Again, the company likely sees QS as a cost savings, so we’ll be giving up something we didn’t intend to fix the glitches we didn’t think we’d see.

IMO, union should have saved this chestnut for negotiations. But what do I know?

11-02-2025 | 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by All 5 Stages

true only if you have a quick slip in. don’t want a call? don’t submit a quick slip

11-02-2025 | 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Speed Select

Additional thought, the company just added more to our negotiation plate. Unless the QS concept works flawlessly, there will be tweaks after pilots complain. Again, the company likely sees QS as a cost savings, so we’ll be giving up something we didn’t intend to to fix the glitches we didn’t think we’d see.

IMO, union should have saved this chestnut for negotiations. But what do I know?

what cost savings does the company get with a quick slip system?

11-02-2025 | 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ancman

It’s replaces today’s IA, not today’s GS. They’re still subject to a financial penalty for skipping the GS step (or any earlier step).

This merely cuts out the vast majority of IA dealmakers and awards them in seniority order, as it should be.

Say it louder for the people in the back!

11-02-2025 | 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by notEnuf

So the cost penalty doesn't change for the company and we are all burdened with responding in 12 minutes for all premium. Then senior still gets their big fish. Why wouldn't they just continue fishing?

FAIL

you keep saying ALL PREMIUM, which is blatantly false.

11-02-2025 | 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by notEnuf

And this is different how? IAs are the same process.

Because it's not the same process. QS is automated, not an IA free for all, side deals will be pretty much eliminated, contractual seniority gets reestablished, and now you have a choice on whether you get phone calls or not (which wasn't the case with IAs). And they have to actually identify the skipped pilot before they can cover the trip, now who knows if people are getting paid for being skipped.

And reminder, what they are doing today is not an IA. They are just using that as a placeholder because they have no other way to code it. An IA per the contract is not a profer and you have to fly it if called. I think a lot of people would be responding differently if this is what was actually going on.