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Old 01-15-2026 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
Type of flying aside, I dont really care about the builder, I just want a plane with a comfortable cockpit. Airbus has that won by a long shot.
For sure. And it’s not even close.
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Old 01-15-2026 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by tripled
any idea why so few 717 awards?

I'm guessing the steady decline has started.
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Old 01-15-2026 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
I'm guessing the steady decline has started.
I think there will be plenty more new hires coming over to the 717. DTW717B alone has 35 vacancies.
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Old 01-15-2026 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Planetrain
It’s weird that we have threads with pilots posting how little they flew, how much flight pulse shows their block hours vs pay; then we have others that say we don’t have enough pilots, hire more reserves, quit running us so hot.

Maybe the problem is more complex?
Some of us got too much to do on our days off to ever pick up anything. But with the number of phone calls I get for GS and IA I assume somebody is flying that stuff! (I always have blanket GS in just so I can keep a tab on the trends)
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Old 01-15-2026 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
I don't personally believe any Delta pilot who, after considering schedules, lifestyle, salary, commuting, or destinations would give a flying fig about who built the airplane.

Might be wrong though. Not going to die on this hill.

It would be like refusing an Uber because the car wasn't built in Country X.
Some of us are just plane nerds. I like the 757 cuz it powerful and I think it has beautiful aesthetics. It's mostly the aesthetics. It's been my favorite airliner since I was a kid. Also I grew up watching my dad and grandad flying it so I have a lot of nostalgia for it too. Just because it seemed like you were curious why someone would care about the make and model.
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Old 01-15-2026 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
I feel like the "Boeing Only" cohort is mostly confined to the older demographic. In fact I'd wager that there is a much higher percentage of pilots who prefer Airbus over Boeing (at least for cockpit comfort). So 5+ years from now how many Boeing lifers will there actually be? My guess is not enough to make a significant mark on bidding outcomes. I do feel like the 767-400 will become the junior WB category, mainly due to it's small fleet size (thus relatively stagnant destiniation mix) and the fact that it doesn't have a dedicated bunk space.
looking at ATL ERA (which some else referenced further down in the thread when talking retirements), on this last bid 7 bid out and 1 bypass. 3 went 765, the other 3 went AB WB. And the last was a junior pilot (10xxx number) going 320. So I don’t think AB is that much of a deterrent.
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Old 01-15-2026 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
The wall has not fallen. Junior WBA Feb 2008 Hire.
getting closer though, only a little over 500 numbers from a Jan 2014 hire.
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Old 01-15-2026 | 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Planetrain
It’s weird that we have threads with pilots posting how little they flew, how much flight pulse shows their block hours vs pay; then we have others that say we don’t have enough pilots, hire more reserves, quit running us so hot.

Maybe the problem is more complex?
Half of their problem is the total abandonment of the traditional Section 23 coverage ladders. They seem not to realize that many of their “reserves” were actually line holders picking up WS trips. As the month went on, those would become short-notice GS trips. If you don’t run WS coverage, a lot of pilots are sitting home because they simply aren’t being called.

Specifically regarding GS, to the extent they’d ever run that step regularly again, many actual reserves are ineligible for them due to this wildly stupid “pre-posted rest” program. They put cancelation codes in for flights that blame pilot staffing, while many reserves sit unused at home, with GS slips in, and are not even getting a call because they are “on rest,” having worked precisely 0 hours before the “rest” was assigned.

What we’re left with is a situation where people are happy earning just the reserve guarantee, or the minimum LCW on a regular line, and riding it out. We have discussed at length how ridiculous the 23M7/IA/CNO debacle has been, so there is no need to rehash why that is not a solution to this problem.

All of this speaks volumes about our leadership, or lack thereof. “But but but…Crew 360!…The Asterisk!…Auto-Accept!…Pods!…We’re Smart!” They yell all this while burning a rumored $100m a month on a clearly failed experiment. Even for a profitable company, that type of egregious decision making should mandate a significant shake up.
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Old 01-15-2026 | 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by TALPAtalker
Half of their problem is the total abandonment of the traditional Section 23 coverage ladders. They seem not to realize that many of their “reserves” were actually line holders picking up WS trips. As the month went on, those would become short-notice GS trips. If you don’t run WS coverage, a lot of pilots are sitting home because they simply aren’t being called.

Specifically regarding GS, to the extent they’d ever run that step regularly again, many actual reserves are ineligible for them due to this wildly stupid “pre-posted rest” program. They put cancelation codes in for flights that blame pilot staffing, while many reserves sit unused at home, with GS slips in, and are not even getting a call because they are “on rest,” having worked precisely 0 hours before the “rest” was assigned.

What we’re left with is a situation where people are happy earning just the reserve guarantee, or the minimum LCW on a regular line, and riding it out. We have discussed at length how ridiculous the 23M7/IA/CNO debacle has been, so there is no need to rehash why that is not a solution to this problem.

All of this speaks volumes about our leadership, or lack thereof. “But but but…Crew 360!…The Asterisk!…Auto-Accept!…Pods!…We’re Smart!” They yell all this while burning a rumored $100m a month on a clearly failed experiment. Even for a profitable company, that type of egregious decision making should mandate a significant shake up.
Staffing is the easy button. Hire more. (Which we are short) Make the reserves do what they say rather than investigate they why, that would take admitting failure. Typical air force type choice. Have to promote before we admit the plan failed, then the next guy can get promoted by fixing it.
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Old 01-16-2026 | 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by GutterGuard
I think there will be plenty more new hires coming over to the 717. DTW717B alone has 35 vacancies.

For sure there will continue to be new hires going there, you have to keep the category decently staffed to the end. I think newhires were getting M88 awards until just shortly before we shut down that category. Not saying it's shutting down soon, but fewer awards make sense. Yesterday's AE was another -11 for the DTW717B. A side was -5, with the only award being a base transfer.
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