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Old 01-20-2026 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
seems like people should vote for better state laws
Not this again. We can’t just ‘fix’ a state law, even if we wanted to. The PWA, however, we have some control over.

There is no reason all pilots should not support state laws/protections applying to all bases.
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Old 01-20-2026 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Not this again. We can’t just ‘fix’ a state law, even if we wanted to. The PWA, however, we have some control over.

There is no reason all pilots should not support state laws/protections applying to all bases.
it applies to all bases equally based on local state law. no need for one state to haul you along, and no reason to waste negotiating capital on it for those who didn’t want it.

the waste of negotiating capital is absolutely a reason not to support it.
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Old 01-20-2026 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
it applies to all bases equally based on local state law. no need for one state to haul you along, and no reason to waste negotiating capital on it for those who didn’t want it.

the waste of negotiating capital is absolutely a reason not to support it.
It’s not that simple, and you know it.

Regardelss, this is not the place for shadow political advocacy.
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Old 01-20-2026 | 07:41 AM
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Good lord, you and your family are unlucky. I have never heard of a family with as many incidents as you have.



Originally Posted by CX500T
Very case by case.

My wife, who was recovering from brain surgery ended up in the hospital for something else (tripped over dog, sprained ankle)

I had already commuted up for a TOE trip going to Germany. I was in the NYC lounge, and went into the CP office.

Neighbor took her to ER.

"since someone's taking care of her, unless its going to cause child care issues, you can't be personal dropped, and if you go home it will be considered a failure to report, you cannot call out sick for this because YOU are not sick"

I was a new hire, on probation, and that was my first time ever dealing with the CPO. Hadn't even been here long enough to have my first New Hire meeting.

So it wasn't like I was a known problem child or something.
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Old 01-20-2026 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Viper25
I think you live in an outlier area that’s not representative of the typical American’s experience.
no kidding. living in an ultra high salary location is a choice. can’t then complain poor.
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Old 01-20-2026 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Uninteresting
no kidding. living in an ultra high salary location is a choice. can’t then complain poor.
it’s the same person who claimed to be “stuck” in the right seat because they couldn’t yet hold <30% as a captain
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Old 01-20-2026 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
It’s not that simple, and you know it.
it is that simple. it will be a very high cost negotiating item and it would harm other possible gains greatly to seek it. no thanks, i'd rather see gains elsewhere
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Old 01-20-2026 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
it is that simple. it will be a very high cost negotiating item and it would harm other possible gains greatly to seek it. no thanks, i'd rather see gains elsewhere
I agree.

The PWA already covers this. We just have a recalcitrant management group with utter disdain for the pilot group.

14.A.17. Sickness means any personal medical condition of a pilot, physical or mental, that disables the pilot from performing duties as a flight crew member.

The FAA refers to fitness to perform duties as a flight crew member in the IMSAFE acronym. So we have a regulatory agency that dictates an personal assessment what makes us fit to perform flight crew duties. The PWA definition of sickness covers all of the IMSAFE. So us using sick time for anything that falls within IMSAFE is valid, PWA sickness. This has been tested in court before (see ancman's) post. So we should not change behavior, take sick time if you fail any of the test of IMSAFE. The company can't do squat other than shake their fists, scream at the clouds and send out strongly worded letters.


Further, 14.F.4 Note states (pertaining to GFB) "such individual circumstances may not be derived solely from the amount of sick leave used by the pilot or the frequency of their sick leave occurances."

Also a GFB does not always require verification from a QHCP. The CPO can, based on the GFB call and your description of the illness in "general terms" decide if it's verified or go down the QHCP route. Seems they always default to 14.F.4.b

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Old 01-20-2026 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
We don’t make as much as you think. In my area, the median household income is just under $250k per year. Basically a senior first officer’s salary that isn’f picking up overtime.
Name another W2 wage earning career that earns more than us working as little as we do. So far I've only personally only met doctors/surgeons but they work WAY harder than I ever do. Ive flown with new hire reserve plugs with better QOL.
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Old 01-20-2026 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
seems like people should vote for better state laws
Not a commuter are you.

of course I’m guessing anyone can vote in your state. Send me a spare ballot would you?

/s
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