if the trips were better like they used to be people wouldn't mind actually flying them as built. that's one of the root issues here that leads to all these problems, but management will deny that they created these issues.

 

"Poor us. ALPA's contract proposal is soooooooo expensive, I don't think we can afford to fulfill our 787 orders. We implore ALPA members to think of the potential growth they are putting in jeopardy by their demands in this upcoming PWA."

 

You forgot Larissa and Scottsrides....

So hard to watch anything with them in it, do disconnected from the real world, making videos showing off their rolex's of the day...

 

I have a hard time believing we have very many pilots who'd fall for this kind of nonsense. Delta is a multi billion dollar corporation, we have all kinds of MRO contracts tied to these purchases, and openers haven't been exchanged. They'll buy what they need, we will negotiate a rate into our new contract, and the world will keep rotating. If they threaten to cancel the order because we reject a proposal, so be it.

 

Yeah they'd hard pressed to convince anyone they can't make money with our contract when they've already demonstrated that they can. And still out-earned everyone else.

 

This right here is spot on in my experience. I was hired in 2016 and life was great. In 2018 my wife asked me if I even liked the job anymore. I told her I spent all my time trying to avoid painful rotations.

Years ago, the old head of CR Bob Smelzer(sp?), had a very MOTO observation in one of his newetters (2018 or 19) in which he stated “rotations that get bid for higher in PBS tend to stay intact.” No kidding, what an insight.

The problem is the new flight ops management stopped hiring and ran the airline hot, which prevents good rotation construction. There is no fix until we hire more and come off the aversion to inserting some soft credit to make these rotations decent. There is certainly room for high credit hard working rotations, but the number of crap trips vastly outnumbers the folks that want that kind of flying. And of course those rotations are fragile.

I think we’re seeing the limits of current fly ops leadership under their current philosophy. They just can’t address the underlying problem b/c they created it.

 

Correct. I wonder how much soft credit the Oct, Nov, and Dec, (and now Jan?) 23m7 expense would have covered?

“…..but the spreadsheet said this would all work!!….” -post optimizer CR dude

 

That type of nonsense would only implore me to write my reps and the NC to thank them for doing a good job and holding the line. Not one pilot here would fall for that.

 

cp’s offices around the country have to be overwhelmed by the significant number of people asking to see their files and understand exactly why they are under review. this would be a “I didn’t realize they would do that” response.

 

Agreed. It was all about optimizing.

Also, what does MOTO mean?