Openers today?
04-20-2026 | 12:58 PM
#361
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Divide $23M/month by 17,500 pilots and I think you’ll find it actually isn’t much value per individual. I assume the company actually wants to reduce that bill and not just pay it elsewhere, so I simply can’t see them bringing anything that will pass memrat to the masses. Triple pay is here to stay for a long time, I’m guessing.
I sure won’t vote for any deal that puts $23m/17,500 in my pocket every month (roughly $1k after tax). I probably make ten times that solving the daily gummster fires management created with their incompetence.
I sure won’t vote for any deal that puts $23m/17,500 in my pocket every month (roughly $1k after tax). I probably make ten times that solving the daily gummster fires management created with their incompetence.
04-20-2026 | 12:59 PM
#362
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and wasn’t fall of 2019 when the “a little hot” email came out?
04-20-2026 | 01:18 PM
#363
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If they don’t reduce the value of 23m/month, and just redistribute it elsewhere, is it not still a win for them operationally even though not financially? Not saying I disagree with you in general though. There needs to be a steep cost to them for us to help them out of their mess.
04-20-2026 | 01:31 PM
#364
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I hope so too. I have spoken with my rep and made it very clear that it needs to exceed expectations if it's going to get through memrat on a short timeline especially considering how management has viewed the previous agreement and public display of contempt for the pilots.
04-20-2026 | 01:41 PM
#365
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I think this is going to be a major sticking point and serious propaganda fodder for a small but vocal percent of the list that will see a substantial decrease in pay and an equal substantial increase in work. It doesn't matter what's in the contract for the farmers. We just have to make sure to fairly evaluate an agreement and not let people who would never agree to fix m7 in the first place drive the boat.
The entire pilot group should become aware of not only the value of auto-accept/23M7, but also its secondary operational effects. As others have said, auto-accept drives trips into premium coverage that wouldn’t have otherwise gone premium. Most pilots have likely benefitted at least once, even if indirectly.
This leverage represents one of the best opportunities in recent history for the pilot group to make significant gains across the entire contract. This is not the time to sell ourselves short.
04-20-2026 | 01:53 PM
#366
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Right, but the flip side of that is the group that has never received a 23M7 payment, doesn’t understand its value, and doesn’t care about the value of a potential trade. This is the group that RG is banking on to influence the MEC enough to win a discounted deal. It’s also a small, but vocal minority.
The entire pilot group should become aware of not only the value of auto-accept/23M7, but also its secondary operational effects. As others have said, auto-accept drives trips into premium coverage that wouldn’t have otherwise gone premium. Most pilots have likely benefitted at least once, even if indirectly.
This leverage represents one of the best opportunities in recent history for the pilot group to make significant gains across the entire contract. This is not the time to sell ourselves short.
The entire pilot group should become aware of not only the value of auto-accept/23M7, but also its secondary operational effects. As others have said, auto-accept drives trips into premium coverage that wouldn’t have otherwise gone premium. Most pilots have likely benefitted at least once, even if indirectly.
This leverage represents one of the best opportunities in recent history for the pilot group to make significant gains across the entire contract. This is not the time to sell ourselves short.
Yup. For every one top page type that has already collected 14 23M7 trips (many multi-day...and just the ones in base) this month, there is about 90% of the rest of the list that isn't getting a thing, even premium. Worse, many of them are not getting the W trips that they'd normally get (for those who play that game), and/or losing out on premium opportunities because trips are taking so long to be awarded. It's not all rainbows and dollar signs for everyone.
04-20-2026 | 01:53 PM
#367
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Right, but the flip side of that is the group that has never received a 23M7 payment, doesn’t understand its value, and doesn’t care about the value of a potential trade. This is the group that RG is banking on to influence the MEC enough to win a discounted deal. It’s also a small, but vocal minority.
The entire pilot group should become aware of not only the value of auto-accept/23M7, but also its secondary operational effects. As others have said, auto-accept drives trips into premium coverage that wouldn’t have otherwise gone premium. Most pilots have likely benefitted at least once, even if indirectly.
This leverage represents one of the best opportunities in recent history for the pilot group to make significant gains across the entire contract. This is not the time to sell ourselves short.
The entire pilot group should become aware of not only the value of auto-accept/23M7, but also its secondary operational effects. As others have said, auto-accept drives trips into premium coverage that wouldn’t have otherwise gone premium. Most pilots have likely benefitted at least once, even if indirectly.
This leverage represents one of the best opportunities in recent history for the pilot group to make significant gains across the entire contract. This is not the time to sell ourselves short.
04-20-2026 | 01:54 PM
#368
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Right, but the flip side of that is the group that has never received a 23M7 payment, doesn’t understand its value, and doesn’t care about the value of a potential trade. This is the group that RG is banking on to influence the MEC enough to win a discounted deal. It’s also a small, but vocal minority.
The entire pilot group should become aware of not only the value of auto-accept/23M7, but also its secondary operational effects. As others have said, auto-accept drives trips into premium coverage that wouldn’t have otherwise gone premium. Most pilots have likely benefitted at least once, even if indirectly.
This leverage represents one of the best opportunities in recent history for the pilot group to make significant gains across the entire contract. This is not the time to sell ourselves short.
The entire pilot group should become aware of not only the value of auto-accept/23M7, but also its secondary operational effects. As others have said, auto-accept drives trips into premium coverage that wouldn’t have otherwise gone premium. Most pilots have likely benefitted at least once, even if indirectly.
This leverage represents one of the best opportunities in recent history for the pilot group to make significant gains across the entire contract. This is not the time to sell ourselves short.
Im firmly in the hold the line category, and I regularly engage my reps. But know for sure I’m far from the only one that fits in my situation either.
04-20-2026 | 01:55 PM
#369
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I would rather have the current m7 fiasco and no new contract than a subpar new agreement. I will vote accordingly and I bet most here will too.
IMO one of the big leverages we have with renegotiating to end M7 is not just the cost but the labor it frees up. how many pilots are flying very little because they can get paid M7 pay without working? M7 goes away and most those pilots are probably back to flying full ish schedule quickly
time is on our side. If we can get a deal done quick that recognizes our goals then great. If HT and RG want to play hardball I am more than happy to wind the clock, and from the sound of it so is our MEC.
IMO one of the big leverages we have with renegotiating to end M7 is not just the cost but the labor it frees up. how many pilots are flying very little because they can get paid M7 pay without working? M7 goes away and most those pilots are probably back to flying full ish schedule quickly
time is on our side. If we can get a deal done quick that recognizes our goals then great. If HT and RG want to play hardball I am more than happy to wind the clock, and from the sound of it so is our MEC.
04-20-2026 | 02:01 PM
#370
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I think you way over estimate the number of pilots that benefit on a regular basis. I can’t get premium at all (pretty well staffed category) and don’t get M7. Some trips I might have gotten as a GS can’t get to me, and by the time they hit the panic button, I can’t be there in time.
Im firmly in the hold the line category, and I regularly engage my reps. But know for sure I’m far from the only one that fits in my situation either.
Im firmly in the hold the line category, and I regularly engage my reps. But know for sure I’m far from the only one that fits in my situation either.
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