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Old 05-21-2012 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
ALPA is not suicidal.

There is a possibility we are overlooking --

The MEC is going to send this out with no recommendation.
Their vote was simply to allow the line pilots a chance to vote.

They expect us to turn this thing down. Overwhelmingly.

That would be a plausible explanation for them passing this thing.
Maybe even a smart thing to do. We'll know later today.


Check - I wish it were so, but I already received the "... we got a great TA ..." from the LEC guys.

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Old 05-21-2012 | 10:17 AM
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Imagine further that what you are suggesting is true.

The Delta MEC negotiated with management without really laying the groundwork to convince management that we were seeking restoration. They would not use the word "RESTORE" nor would they listen to council resolutions that sought tougher language and pointing out to management at every opportunity that we expected restoration. Instead they "proactively engage" and then bring us something they expect us to vote down? What kind of a strategy is that?
Old 05-21-2012 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by sinca3
FTB, where's the chart for these hard fought pay raises? I mean we only gave these *******s a 10year loan and this is the industry leading POS they provide! If the whole things is this much of a slap I the face not only will I be a no vote but DPA will be one supporter stronger.
I'd love to get some numbers, most importantly the full C2K contract and SWA's contract going forward. Or least over the past years to figure out trends. That way you can do a chart that shows what the C2K trend would've been, what the SWA trend is, where we've been and once the TA is announced where we end up.

Originally Posted by nwa757
When looking at the numbers, remember there is a cost to outsourcing.



I read both of your pertinent posts on the subject and safety culture, I just think unless we know the data that the safety folks have at Delta and DCI carriers know, we're attacking without protecting our flanks in such a discussion of safety cultures.

But to your point, do I think safety is degraded by poor pay and work rules. Yes. I think it adds stress and fatigue. Those airlines that have poor pay and work rules are imo are adding to the stress of their workforce. Let's promise to keep Delta from going down that road.

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Old 05-21-2012 | 10:24 AM
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I can't wait to see how much healthcare premiums dropped, I.e. SWA.
Old 05-21-2012 | 10:29 AM
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Old 05-21-2012 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
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US Regional Airline Association (RAA) to stage its annual convention this week in Minneapolis
RAA 2012: Regional airlines poised for massive fleet renewal


Cheers
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If this doesnt make you livid I don't know what will. The RAA have been talking with Ed and RA who are so confident we will sell scope, the regionals are already planning as if it is a done deal.
Old 05-21-2012 | 10:32 AM
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Chairman's letter is out. Of course he mentions the 4/8.5/3/3 and time value of money. What about the time value of the past ten years? What about the time value of a seem less merger? What about the time value of expedited negotiations for DAL not just us the pilots? I'm sick and tired of this ploy!!
As for other high points blended 88/90 rates, or more accurately 88 up to 90 rates, block hour ratio with DCI with a cap on 50-70 seat planes available, allowing for "accelerated access" to 76 seat jets but only after DAL acquires small narrow body jets to be flown by mainline, access to these 76 seat jets to be capped at 32 Less than current cap, reserve guarantee will be 2hrs below ALV min 72hr max 80hr, elimination of sick monitoring, early retirement incentives similar to previously announced for all other employees.
Throughout the whole letter TO "sales" the TA and doesn't once mention anything we had to give up to get it.
Check you in boxes...
For now
FUPM!

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Old 05-21-2012 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
From the DALPA Boards:

Two different sources and they matched exactly.

4/8.5/3/3 on raises. Pilot pool of profit sharing money reduced from 15 percent to 10 on the first bucket to fund raises.
More 76 seat RJ's however a block hour formula reducing overall numbers
Small DC raise back loaded
overtime flying pay above 85 hours.
Promise of a 100 seat aircraft. Same promise that's been made for 21 years.
The rest is pretty much what was released on scheduling items.
I am guessing overall cost to the company is under 350 million a year.

G2G - I need to update my DPA Card.

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If these rumors are indeed true, than this TA is a total slap in the face. And what the hell is a "promise of a 100 seat aircraft"??? No such thing as promises in a contract. It's either in the contract or it's not.
Old 05-21-2012 | 10:33 AM
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The leaders of ALPA are buying the dangling of a possible airframe purchase??? This is not good....
Old 05-21-2012 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Columbia
I can't wait to see how much healthcare premiums dropped, I.e. SWA.
I can't wait to see how much more we'll get paid because nonrev and buddy passes should no longer be counted as compensation.
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