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05-25-2012, 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
I'll betcha a cold one the company won't take all the 717s if we turn this down. Know why? Because there won't be as much DCI lift that will need to be replaced, because we will be stuck with the 50 seaters for a lot longer. It's just simple math.
And the company will still have us in a BK contract. Why would they hurry? They always have plan B, and it doesn't necessarily include us. DYODD
And the company will still have us in a BK contract. Why would they hurry? They always have plan B, and it doesn't necessarily include us. DYODD
05-25-2012, 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Two choices:
1. Yes to this TA and allow the company to have more airplanes that are better mainline replacement jets in exchange for being able to park the airplanes that are not better.
2. No to this TA and actually hold the line on scope.
1. Yes to this TA and allow the company to have more airplanes that are better mainline replacement jets in exchange for being able to park the airplanes that are not better.
2. No to this TA and actually hold the line on scope.
05-25-2012, 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Tsquare, I believe what you posted is certainly a strong possibility. I also think that perhaps there is more money available. The company still enjoys about 1.2 billion a year in pilot cost savings from the chapter 11 era. This contract restores about 400 million. I need another 140 million to be happy with the contract. I think the company might come back to the table with more money. As you mention they also might not. They will cost things out on their end and make a choice. I am still a no voter but will attend the roadshows and try and speak more with those at the table.
05-25-2012, 04:01 AM
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Tsquare I appreciate your enthusiasm. And coffee this morning.
But I must say I have done by DYODD on Section 1.
And there is no way in you know where that I will vote yes.
It is a bad deal. And I know there are some pinky promises out there on this thing, but I won't give up things in writing for pinky promises.
So I am voting no as soon as they open this thing up for vote.
But I must say I have done by DYODD on Section 1.
And there is no way in you know where that I will vote yes.
It is a bad deal. And I know there are some pinky promises out there on this thing, but I won't give up things in writing for pinky promises.
So I am voting no as soon as they open this thing up for vote.
05-25-2012, 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Columbia
Follow the money and connect the dots, grasshopper. The 717s, all of them are a done deal. Do you really believe Ed when he says "there's no money left." ? If so, you got played, big time.
Not about the money chump. it's about the NEED. With all them 50s remaining under the umbrella, there ain't no NEED for a large 717 fleet.. Your airplane.. your choice. I couldn't care less. We don't take 'em, SWA chokes on 'em. It's good either way.
05-25-2012, 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Tsquare, I believe what you posted is certainly a strong possibility. I also think that perhaps there is more money available. The company still enjoys about 1.2 billion a year in pilot cost savings from the chapter 11 era. This contract restores about 400 million. I need another 140 million to be happy with the contract. I think the company might come back to the table with more money. As you mention they also might not. They will cost things out on their end and make a choice. I am still a no voter but will attend the roadshows and try and speak more with those at the table.
05-25-2012, 04:04 AM
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The SpaceX Dragon capsule about to dock with he ISS. Right now on the NASA channel. Good stuff....
05-25-2012, 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Columbia
The SpaceX Dragon capsule about to dock with he ISS. Right now on the NASA channel. Good stuff....
05-25-2012, 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by bata
Why don't we bring 76 seat to main line?
This would end the RJ wars and wip-saw.
With new FTDT rules costs must be close.
We have a pay scale and increased work hours.
This would end the RJ wars and wip-saw.
With new FTDT rules costs must be close.
We have a pay scale and increased work hours.
05-25-2012, 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Columbia
Follow the money and connect the dots, grasshopper. The 717s, all of them are a done deal. Do you really believe Ed when he says "there's no money left." ? If so, you got played, big time.
This is just business and RA drives a very hard bargain. It's up to ALPA and us (the pilots) to get everything we can.
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