Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-28-2012 | 04:31 PM
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05-28-2012 | 04:37 PM
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I think it might get worse. One guy said today to a rep, "Show me one survey that said to get a contract in an expedited manner." It seems even most "yes" voters are not doing it because they like the TA. They are doing it based on the unknown of turning it down.
05-28-2012 | 04:44 PM
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Not sure if it is a true reduction. Best case I see a mainline jet count like we did at SOC. If I am wrong, show me the work. With the work rule changes, we still would have less pilots and less pilots per seat.
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Ratios are a funny thing, and the higher ratios at the end are a result of DCI being shrunk with 50's being parked.
I see this whole part of the PWA as a protection if we shrink, not a guarantee to grow. We hit the ratios with the known aircraft retirements and deliveries at mainline (possible sans the 717) and the retirements at DCI. The catch 22 is the non-compliance provision. It states "anything beyond Delta's control." Well we would generally shrink from a bad economy or a black swan event, and aren't those our of DAL's control? Its a lot more vague than force majure.
Not sure if it is a true reduction. Best case I see a mainline jet count like we did at SOC. If I am wrong, show me the work. With the work rule changes, we still would have less pilots and less pilots per seat.
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Ratios are a funny thing, and the higher ratios at the end are a result of DCI being shrunk with 50's being parked.
I see this whole part of the PWA as a protection if we shrink, not a guarantee to grow. We hit the ratios with the known aircraft retirements and deliveries at mainline (possible sans the 717) and the retirements at DCI. The catch 22 is the non-compliance provision. It states "anything beyond Delta's control." Well we would generally shrink from a bad economy or a black swan event, and aren't those our of DAL's control? Its a lot more vague than force majure.
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05-28-2012 | 04:49 PM
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You think all those airplanes are sitting in a garage somewhere waiting to be flown over to the Delta paint hangar? It will take a little time to get them all in service. The 717s aren't even supposed to be here for a few months, and then only a trickle, but they have to be ESTABLISHED before they can take delivery of the RJs... Read the definition of "Fleet" in section 1.
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05-28-2012 | 04:51 PM
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So I read through the Counsel 16 (LAX) "please vote yes" letter and the NNP 12-05. This is what struck me:
"Codeshare
The TA improves the labor dispute language with our international flying partners and tightens the codeshare restrictions on each. Codeshare restrictions with our international partners are tightened from 50% to 40% of Delta booked passengers. Codeshare restrictions on the Alaska codeshare are tightened as well, from 50% to 35% of Delta booked passengers, with the exception of SEA-MSP and SEA-ATL, which remain at 50%. Alaska SEA-LAX flights are exempt from hub-to-hub flying ratio calculations."
Thank you LAX pilots for allowing Alaska to continue to do all of our west coast flying. Yea, this agreement will allow you FOs to upgrade in the 717, but do it somewhere else other than LAX...
I'm still a solid NO!
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"Codeshare
The TA improves the labor dispute language with our international flying partners and tightens the codeshare restrictions on each. Codeshare restrictions with our international partners are tightened from 50% to 40% of Delta booked passengers. Codeshare restrictions on the Alaska codeshare are tightened as well, from 50% to 35% of Delta booked passengers, with the exception of SEA-MSP and SEA-ATL, which remain at 50%. Alaska SEA-LAX flights are exempt from hub-to-hub flying ratio calculations."
Thank you LAX pilots for allowing Alaska to continue to do all of our west coast flying. Yea, this agreement will allow you FOs to upgrade in the 717, but do it somewhere else other than LAX...
I'm still a solid NO!
BD
05-28-2012 | 04:59 PM
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Mr. 80kts thanks for the info, good to know.
In atl's crew room listening to the reps talk to the gang, a lot of very unhappy folks.
In atl's crew room listening to the reps talk to the gang, a lot of very unhappy folks.
05-28-2012 | 05:15 PM
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Could this be one of the reasons all MEC communications end with: "We urge everyone to vote YES on this TA.
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05-28-2012 | 05:16 PM
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05-28-2012 | 05:22 PM
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05-28-2012 | 06:03 PM
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Pilot unity trumped by undivided self-interest. I talked to one other, who said he is voting no, because the raise wasn't large enough. When I queried him further, he said that if the 12.8% was day one it would have been a shoe in for him... I wanted to ask him what the least amount of money he would take to sell me out... but I risked a coronary so I walked away.
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