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Old 05-29-2012 | 05:41 PM
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I don't know why anyone wants to celebrate a hard cap on DCI at 450 jets as a scope win because we'll now have a hard cap on the total DCI fleet.

And then turn around and increase the hard cap on jumbo RJs from 255 to 325.

Either a hard cap is a hard cap everywhere, or it isn't a hard cap anywhere.
Old 05-29-2012 | 05:42 PM
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From the May 28 NNP:

"We will be the only legacy airline pilot group that has gained domestic flying without flying small aircraft and/or agree to substantially lower pay rates or different work rules."
Well he11 it's a victory....we aint flyin them good for nuthin small airplanes. We all are too good for that. Lets not figure out a way to get them on the property.....just keep the "barbie jets" outsourced. It's good for our union and it's good for our pilots. Don't question. Just take our word for it.

Btw, we don't see ALV + 15 and more short calls as substantially different work rules even though it will reduce required head count by 300.
Old 05-29-2012 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
FTB speaks for me as well.
Oh you're screwed now!
Old 05-29-2012 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DLpilot
Will someone clarify the requirements of these lease obligations? Many of these planes will be coming up on their heavy maintenance requirements. We parked many widebodies in the desert rather than pay that enormous cost. Would they not be able to just park them and pay the lease obligation until the end of the agreement?
This is exactly what Delta has decided to do at the Comair subsidiary. We have piles of 50s parked in the desert waiting for lease expiration so we can dust them off and give them back to the bank.

Cheaper that way.
Old 05-29-2012 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Oh you're screwed now!
Haha, don't let me down.....my internet mouthpeice!
Old 05-29-2012 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Math check:

No TA + 717s = 255 70+ seaters

TA + 717s = 325 70+ seaters

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Originally Posted by Wingnutdal
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No TA + 717s = 600 rjs

TA + 717s = 450 rjs
I love ya both, but let's think of RJ's as life threatening animals:
50 seat RJ's = scorpions with a short life span
50+seat RJ's = Alligators capable of swallowing your a$$ whole with a very long life span. Now let's do some math:

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No TA + 717's = 255 Alligators and 345 Scorpions...600 life threatening animals
....TA + 717's = 325 Alligators and 125 Scorpions...450 life threatening animals

Sounds OK until you realize that scorpions die off in no time, but alligators live longer than humans. Then you realize you just let 70 more freakin alligators live in your house because you were so overjoyed at getting rid of 150 scorpions. Good grief.

Oh well, back to watching Swamp People.

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Old 05-29-2012 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I have to say, I do love taking off 9L full length with flaps 5 on an MD-88. Eating up that entire runway and rotating past the guys waiting at N13 reminds me of flying the ER to Zurich... except now I'm only going to Florida.
What the hell! Does this mean you're working?

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Old 05-29-2012 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin
The company can't have more than 255 LARGE (70+76) RJ's on property under our current contract. How is that not control? Nice spin though.

When half the 717s arrive.. the mainline fleet will exceed 767. Management can then convert all the 70 seaters to 76s.. And they have absolutely no reason nor mechanism to get rid of the 50s... all 3 hundred and something of 'em...

Then... management can start parking mainline aircraft... with no corresponding reduction in RJs..

But you are right, the TA sucks. I'll only make $30 more than a UAL 747 captain.
Old 05-29-2012 | 05:56 PM
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I can't seem to find in the NNP about Section 1, the language regarding the long term plan to reduce the number of jumbo RJs...
Old 05-29-2012 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by N261ND
So vote no and get all the flying back at mainline. If it's Delta paint, it should be Delta pilots.

Your reps shouldn't agree to anything that doesn't get all the flying back. What is so wrong with a Delta pilot flying a 50 seat RJ? It wouldn't take inches away from your wang.
Seriously? You have absolutely no concept of costing that out. I have shown you where with only back of the napkin math we couldn't make the 76s work.. and you think we could get the 50s too?
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