Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
Well, I was wrong about the announcement. No new announced codeshare ALK flights to our hubs, or elsewhere. Sounds like the joint announcement was promotional on ALK's part, and operational on ours. All in all, very good news for DL, and for SEA. Pretty cheeky announcing the HND route before the DOT awards it!
ALPA used to be all about job creation and protection. To the point that many of the work rules in our contract were nothing but old fashioned featherbedding. (not that there's anything wrong with that)
We had strict monthly caps and touching trips vacation pay and partial month power move-ups and bow wave and on and on etc etc. All that's long gone.
Now our union gives up more jobs and signs us up for higher monthly line values with each contract and has to be dragged kicking and screaming to enforce what little job protections we have left in the contract. They would have allowed the blatant violation of white slip pick up limits to continue if the forum regulars hadn't raised he|| about "trip parking". It seems nowadays the union is all about helping management find ways to increase productivity and run the airline with fewer pilots.
The transformation of ALPA under Moak is really quite astonishing.
Maybe it was inevitable given the reality of modern economics and maybe it will even turn out to be a good thing. I don't know. But this new age "constructive engagement" style labor relations must have the old trade unionists of yesteryear spinning in their graves.
You missed the point to my post. It was in jest. He talked from a position that all communications from a LEC are approved by the Admin and National Lawyers and support staff. No necessarily true unless those reps desire it.
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CaptCrunch... exact same thing happened to a "friend of ours" recently, except the phone call came from a rather irate female scheduler named "A" around 0430 for a 0730 show. It just makes me "SICK" that we have to compromise when Sched screws up. Oh well...rules are rules...I just want to make the world a better place! Cheers H
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You are corrct Sir. Thank you.
Please tell me why your "Air Line" does not keep extra starter generators at your Int'l hub of SEA... My flight for NRT was supposed to leave @ 1340 yesterday and we are still here watching the flight slide back later and later. Showed up this morn @ 0500 to stand in line at check-in for 2.5 hours. They hadn't changed the flight# and couldn't sell the seats? What a goat rope of an "air line." Reminds me of the time 76-300 returned to FRA after departure, sit on hard stand for 2 hours, NO SERVICE, take-off to arrive in ATL when line of T-storms forecasted to arrive. Well it did and produced tornadoes in DT Atlanta so we diverted to Birmingham, an airport without customs; Good thing there wasn't a problem with the airplane when we arrived. Sure seems like people are asleep at the wheel in the planning department over there.
Funny how you guys and United have your CEOs on you "welcome aboard" videos spewing out total blatant lies about customer service and being comfortable on the aircraft, all while sitting in the WORST pitched seats on a 17 hour delayed Int'l flight. Reminds me of the White House and Capital Hill.
U.S. Airlines are the worst... and unfortunately there is nothing the front line employees can do about it.
Funny how you guys and United have your CEOs on you "welcome aboard" videos spewing out total blatant lies about customer service and being comfortable on the aircraft, all while sitting in the WORST pitched seats on a 17 hour delayed Int'l flight. Reminds me of the White House and Capital Hill.
U.S. Airlines are the worst... and unfortunately there is nothing the front line employees can do about it.
If you want to get down to the minutia, complain to your senators, and congressman on the state level. They can fix a lot of it by getting rid of laws that charge property tax on spare parts. Its not cheap to hold a ton of parts in stores. Every airline pays property taxes on those parts. Have these laws nixed so it is less cost prohibitive to hold many of these parts.
Also, who is to say that the one spare start valve or whatever was inop was not used on another jet in the last day. Parts break, its what happens when you have a million moving parts flying in close formation.
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ALPA used to be all about job creation and protection. To the point that many of the work rules in our contract were nothing but old fashioned featherbedding. (not that there's anything wrong with that)
We had strict monthly caps and touching trips vacation pay and partial month power move-ups and bow wave and on and on etc etc. All that's long gone.
We had strict monthly caps and touching trips vacation pay and partial month power move-ups and bow wave and on and on etc etc. All that's long gone.
There is something wrong with it--it is called, as you correctly called it, "featherbedding" and here is the rub--it doesn't create jobs, just the illusion of them.
Let me ask you something. Should we, in the interest of "jobs" get rid of ATMs? Just think of all those poor bank tellers no longer smacking gum at the bank counter who no longer are issuing us $50 as we stand in line for 15 minutes and then write a check to "cash." Should we mandate that Boeing and Airbus make all planes with a flight engineer, navigator, and radio operator position? That would be great for pilot staffing. Should we get rid of cell phones, and even push button or rotary dial landline phones, so as to "create" lots of jobs of phone bank secretaries pulling and plugging hundreds of electrical wires so as to connect you to the party line? At some point opposing productivity increases--especially when they are voluntary, such as how SWA has been doing for eons--is as futile as Caligula throwing spears to oppose the tide.
Now our union gives up more jobs and signs us up for higher monthly line values with each contract and has to be dragged kicking and screaming to enforce what little job protections we have left in the contract. They would have allowed the blatant violation of white slip pick up limits to continue if the forum regulars hadn't raised he|| about "trip parking". It seems nowadays the union is all about helping management find ways to increase productivity and run the airline with fewer pilots.
The transformation of ALPA under Moak is really quite astonishing. Maybe it was inevitable given the reality of modern economics and maybe it will even turn out to be a good thing. I don't know.
But this new age "constructive engagement" style labor relations must have the old trade unionists of yesteryear spinning in their graves.
Most importantly, SWA pilots have embraced the "work hard, play hard" ethic while still having a great contract with ironclad pay guarantees and protections in place. Working hard and being part of an efficiently run operation does not mean that you fly to FARs while making a pitiful wage--it means that if you voluntarily want to be more productive, which just coincidentally happens to help the company be more efficient and profitable as well, you should be able to, while never being mandated to be. The problem with pilot groups in the past is you couldn't even do that.
I'll concede that it is possible but I don't think it's going to be as easy as you think. To do this you (again the generic you) and one of your buddies has to buddy bid the same schedule and then you have to bring in the third guy. I was just looking/thinking about my example and it is flawed. First, Pilot B would have to give his B trip to Pilot C, then Pilot A would give his A trip to Pilot B, whiteslip the opentime trip and then pick up Pilot B's B trip from Pilot C. I'm sure there are other iterations, we'll just have to wait and see.........Time will tell...........
At least it eliminates it for most categories..........(I guess my glass is half full this morning!
)
Denny

At least it eliminates it for most categories..........(I guess my glass is half full this morning!
)Denny
The Capt's almost all do it. If a guy has a hole on his schedule, it's just a matter of calling him and seeing if you can be his "friend."
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