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Old 10-08-2012 | 09:55 AM
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Well, I was wrong about the announcement. No new announced codeshare ALK flights to our hubs, or elsewhere. Sounds like the joint announcement was promotional on ALK's part, and operational on ours. All in all, very good news for DL, and for SEA. Pretty cheeky announcing the HND route before the DOT awards it!
Old 10-08-2012 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I'm still amazed that we have a "swap with friends" board and everything doesn't have to go through normal measures.
Originally Posted by buzzpat
Agreed. It's rampant in LA. Hope it ends now.
The most notable thing about trip parking is the spotlight it shines on the changing philosophy of our union.

ALPA used to be all about job creation and protection. To the point that many of the work rules in our contract were nothing but old fashioned featherbedding. (not that there's anything wrong with that)
We had strict monthly caps and touching trips vacation pay and partial month power move-ups and bow wave and on and on etc etc. All that's long gone.
Now our union gives up more jobs and signs us up for higher monthly line values with each contract and has to be dragged kicking and screaming to enforce what little job protections we have left in the contract. They would have allowed the blatant violation of white slip pick up limits to continue if the forum regulars hadn't raised he|| about "trip parking". It seems nowadays the union is all about helping management find ways to increase productivity and run the airline with fewer pilots.

The transformation of ALPA under Moak is really quite astonishing.
Maybe it was inevitable given the reality of modern economics and maybe it will even turn out to be a good thing. I don't know. But this new age "constructive engagement" style labor relations must have the old trade unionists of yesteryear spinning in their graves.
Old 10-08-2012 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Cycle Pilot
So, let me get this straight... We don't know how to run an airline and our CEO spits out "blatant lies" but you still want to work here? Good luck with that.
You misunderstand, he wants to interview for CEO because he obviously knows how to run an Air Line.
Old 10-08-2012 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Maybe, maybe not...

If an LEC chooses to put out flawed info even after the review process found legitimate errors, then they would not be factually correct.

I would agree that the opinions expressed in LEC pubs are factually correct.
You missed the point to my post. It was in jest. He talked from a position that all communications from a LEC are approved by the Admin and National Lawyers and support staff. No necessarily true unless those reps desire it.
Old 10-08-2012 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Herman
CaptCrunch... exact same thing happened to a "friend of ours" recently, except the phone call came from a rather irate female scheduler named "A" around 0430 for a 0730 show. It just makes me "SICK" that we have to compromise when Sched screws up. Oh well...rules are rules...I just want to make the world a better place! Cheers H
How was that a crew scheds mistake? Your are required to check your schedule and acknowledge any trip after 3pm. Not a scheds error but pilot error.
Old 10-08-2012 | 11:01 AM
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You are corrct Sir. Thank you.
Old 10-08-2012 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Palmtree Pilot
Please tell me why your "Air Line" does not keep extra starter generators at your Int'l hub of SEA... My flight for NRT was supposed to leave @ 1340 yesterday and we are still here watching the flight slide back later and later. Showed up this morn @ 0500 to stand in line at check-in for 2.5 hours. They hadn't changed the flight# and couldn't sell the seats? What a goat rope of an "air line." Reminds me of the time 76-300 returned to FRA after departure, sit on hard stand for 2 hours, NO SERVICE, take-off to arrive in ATL when line of T-storms forecasted to arrive. Well it did and produced tornadoes in DT Atlanta so we diverted to Birmingham, an airport without customs; Good thing there wasn't a problem with the airplane when we arrived. Sure seems like people are asleep at the wheel in the planning department over there.

Funny how you guys and United have your CEOs on you "welcome aboard" videos spewing out total blatant lies about customer service and being comfortable on the aircraft, all while sitting in the WORST pitched seats on a 17 hour delayed Int'l flight. Reminds me of the White House and Capital Hill.

U.S. Airlines are the worst... and unfortunately there is nothing the front line employees can do about it.

If you want to get down to the minutia, complain to your senators, and congressman on the state level. They can fix a lot of it by getting rid of laws that charge property tax on spare parts. Its not cheap to hold a ton of parts in stores. Every airline pays property taxes on those parts. Have these laws nixed so it is less cost prohibitive to hold many of these parts.

Also, who is to say that the one spare start valve or whatever was inop was not used on another jet in the last day. Parts break, its what happens when you have a million moving parts flying in close formation.
Old 10-08-2012 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Rudder
Flying sucks out there, stay far far away!!
Could always take a boat.



But they do have a tendency to fail too.
Old 10-08-2012 | 11:49 AM
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ALPA used to be all about job creation and protection. To the point that many of the work rules in our contract were nothing but old fashioned featherbedding. (not that there's anything wrong with that)
We had strict monthly caps and touching trips vacation pay and partial month power move-ups and bow wave and on and on etc etc. All that's long gone.

There is something wrong with it--it is called, as you correctly called it, "featherbedding" and here is the rub--it doesn't create jobs, just the illusion of them.

Let me ask you something. Should we, in the interest of "jobs" get rid of ATMs? Just think of all those poor bank tellers no longer smacking gum at the bank counter who no longer are issuing us $50 as we stand in line for 15 minutes and then write a check to "cash." Should we mandate that Boeing and Airbus make all planes with a flight engineer, navigator, and radio operator position? That would be great for pilot staffing. Should we get rid of cell phones, and even push button or rotary dial landline phones, so as to "create" lots of jobs of phone bank secretaries pulling and plugging hundreds of electrical wires so as to connect you to the party line? At some point opposing productivity increases--especially when they are voluntary, such as how SWA has been doing for eons--is as futile as Caligula throwing spears to oppose the tide.


Now our union gives up more jobs and signs us up for higher monthly line values with each contract and has to be dragged kicking and screaming to enforce what little job protections we have left in the contract. They would have allowed the blatant violation of white slip pick up limits to continue if the forum regulars hadn't raised he|| about "trip parking". It seems nowadays the union is all about helping management find ways to increase productivity and run the airline with fewer pilots.
I was and am opposed to "trip parking" because it did violate the intent of the white slip pickup limit in the contract. Whether I "philosophically" agree or disagree with the contract doesn't matter. The contract states such and such, and trip parking violated that intent. But...the processed worked. Enough guys got upset about it, made inputs to their LEC reps, who then directed the negotiators to do something about it. And they did.

The transformation of ALPA under Moak is really quite astonishing. Maybe it was inevitable given the reality of modern economics and maybe it will even turn out to be a good thing. I don't know.
It was inevitable. Whether it turns out to be good or not also remains to be seen.

But this new age "constructive engagement" style labor relations must have the old trade unionists of yesteryear spinning in their graves.
Perhaps. But hasn't that been SWAPA's model for nearly 40 years? The same SWAPA that has long embraced a model of hard-working pilots who through their willingness and ability to fly a lot--and specifically reject the "featherbedding" model--have helped create a very stable prosperous company that has enabled the W2s that the rest of the industry has been envious of?

Most importantly, SWA pilots have embraced the "work hard, play hard" ethic while still having a great contract with ironclad pay guarantees and protections in place. Working hard and being part of an efficiently run operation does not mean that you fly to FARs while making a pitiful wage--it means that if you voluntarily want to be more productive, which just coincidentally happens to help the company be more efficient and profitable as well, you should be able to, while never being mandated to be. The problem with pilot groups in the past is you couldn't even do that.
Old 10-08-2012 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
I'll concede that it is possible but I don't think it's going to be as easy as you think. To do this you (again the generic you) and one of your buddies has to buddy bid the same schedule and then you have to bring in the third guy. I was just looking/thinking about my example and it is flawed. First, Pilot B would have to give his B trip to Pilot C, then Pilot A would give his A trip to Pilot B, whiteslip the opentime trip and then pick up Pilot B's B trip from Pilot C. I'm sure there are other iterations, we'll just have to wait and see.........Time will tell...........

At least it eliminates it for most categories..........(I guess my glass is half full this morning!)

Denny
I get cold called all the time by guys wanting to park a trip on my line.

The Capt's almost all do it. If a guy has a hole on his schedule, it's just a matter of calling him and seeing if you can be his "friend."
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