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If you are arguing that reserves now never hit ALV therefore ALV+15 isn't important, you have to ask yourself why then is it so important to the company for the next 3 years. The answer is so simple a blind man can see it.

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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin (Post 1202292)

Extremely clairvoyant of you. Let's build a TA on what reserves are doing TODAY, not 5 years from now. When we start retiring a pilot a day plus, do you really think reserves won't be flying to ALV + 15???

EXACTLY! These guys lose all credibility when they use this argument. It's so obviously deceptive. It should make everybody here angry the fact they keep using such misleading arguments to justify a POS contract proposal. Just say NO:mad:

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Originally Posted by The Cavalier (Post 1202298)

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Let's not allow ourselves to get further.....

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Originally Posted by MoonShot (Post 1202207)

I'm curious (if the TA is ratified, and I'm a NO vote BTW) where the line will be drawn on "critical category staffing" for the early out? DALPA has already said that we are going to lose 300 (give or take) jobs to efficiencies during this agreement.

Here is how I see staffing going down the next few years under the TA:

1 - We lose 300 jobs to efficiencies right off the bat.
2 - IF we get lucky, we will have 250 or so early outs. Call it a wash, BEST CASE?
3 - The airline is still a bit over staffed.
4 - Military guys and a handful of furlough bypasses want to come back.
5 - As the senior folks leave, many of the spots on the fat international categories aren't backfilled.
6 - Folks that took the early out constitute the majority of the guys that would have been leaving in the next three years anyways, so its unlikely we will see many retirements within three years of the early out.

Moonshot,

You are being too generous. The early outs would eventually retire anyway - creating permanent movement for all the other DAL Pilots. Now we break even at best, and only until the point at which those Pilots would have retired anyway. Then from then on - we will all be at an approximate 300 Pilot disadvantage due to these "permanent" efficiencies.

Just my take - Scoop

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Originally Posted by SawF16 (Post 1202300)

Please tell me when you last flew to ALV on reserve without a YS? There may have been a high frequency of it in the summers of 2007 and 2008, but it certainly wasn't everyone. I have even on reserve for 4+ years at DAL, have never broken 70. The few times I got close was back in late 08/09 on the MD when the ATL category was WAY understaffed and we had a waiver to ALV requirements for the MD88 as a way to surge block hours and take flying that would have otherwise been RJs. The reserve manning formula doesn't change, bu I will concede that this will probably result in less GS.

As a long time reserve, I m pretty happy with the changes to reserve thru this TA, the changes to reserve avail/required, and the RAW changes. Topped off w a guarantee that will likely be 5 hours greater on average and one less on call day on about half the months, I think reserve will be very senior in winter.

OK, again; you are looking at what is happening now and not how things will be in a year or two.

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Originally Posted by SawF16 (Post 1202300)

2 times in the last year. If you are in a smaller category it does happen. If you are at the bottom of a small category it's even more possible. To assume that the future will ressemble the last few years during capacity retraction is absolutely foolish. This change will make every category small.

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Originally Posted by SawF16 (Post 1202300)

You should also consider reserves aren't credited with the same trip credit as line holders. You can rest assured that was shot down with prejudice if and when it ever came up during negotiations.

I was near or over 80hrs when DALPA decided to sign an LOA allowing the contract to be ignored in regard to how much time 88 reserves were made to fly. Nothing in return. Let me tell you, they'll abuse you if they have to and are ALLOWED to (which is what DALPA allowed to happen when they signed that LOA). I was about 3 hrs from whatever the ALV was (80 or 82) and with one day of availability as I'm thinking I'm in the clear to commute home I was given SC. As I recall, 18 days on reserve, was truly 18 days on reserve.

Even the NN says it plain and clear: they're going to get the equivalent of 300 more pilots worth of work out of the same number of pilot through these concessions. Expected changes should cover the difference. Color me just a tad bit less than impressed.

If this is their sell job I'd hate to see what they would have to say if they were giving us an unbiased report.

Throw in the weak day off protection that all pilots here have and you have a potential recipe for disaster. Call me paranoid but I've lived it elsewhere and living at work with constant schedule flux is an absolutely miserable existence. Don't kid yourself, staffing will be as tight as we allow it to be.

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Originally Posted by The Cavalier (Post 1202311)

yup, the people here that haven't worked at another airline with really crappy reserve rules are in for a rude awakening!