Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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Have you flown with the gold guy as well? Wants to buy a house in Pensacola with one gold coin
Those who predict doom and gloom like this are typically very wrong.
I got lectured on similar about a year ago all the way down and back to MAO. He was convinced the economy was going to collapse again and the DOW was going to be around 6000. Guess what didn't happen?
You wrote a similar paragraph. That is always crap going on and if you want to focus on that you can, but the fact is that the sky is not falling. What you wrote about the future boils down to foolishness really...
I got lectured on similar about a year ago all the way down and back to MAO. He was convinced the economy was going to collapse again and the DOW was going to be around 6000. Guess what didn't happen?
You wrote a similar paragraph. That is always crap going on and if you want to focus on that you can, but the fact is that the sky is not falling. What you wrote about the future boils down to foolishness really...

This just in: "Delta Air Lines says it will likely post a loss for the second quarter. Delta lost money on fuel hedges in May and June, which pushed its fuel costs for the quarter to $3.37 per gallon." Record profits indeed! BTW: I'm not predicting doom and gloom, I'm just hedging against it. Additionally, nearly everything in that last “doom and gloom” statement has already occurred. No “foolish” predictions are necessary. If you choose to ignore them, it is your prerogative. Oh, and one more thing: Most of what is happening in the world today is unprecedented. It’s not as benign and simple as you put it, “That is always crap going on and if you want to focus on that you can, but the fact is that the sky is not falling. What you wrote about the future boils down to foolishness really...” I’m glad you can sit back and relax without a care while the World is on fire. I truly hope that works out for ya.

Even with DCI 450/325, that's a huge jump in ASMs.
How about this, it looks as if the company is losing money. That's probably our fault like anything else, we cost a lot of money. I mean this contract now is going to cost the company $1B or something.
How about instead of driving this company into the ground by trying to hit a grand slam 19% raise over 3 years we instead focus on hitting a single?
How about 4% YOY as we have been doing and the company must sunset every DCI contract. By 2022, DCI will be gone. We will take care of Alaska and Republic the next go around?
So how about that? 4% YOY for the next 3 years with sunset clauses? 12% vs 19%, sunset vs significant increase in jumbo RJs?
Oh, and work rules that increase staffing instead of decrease it. That way we can get some movement coupled with retirements so that your pay raises come from moving on up like Weezy. And decrease the PBS staffing formula to be based of 50 hours for reserve pilots instead of 60.
Oh, wait, let me write this as if I was writing a NNP and overuse the word "significant":
How about instead of driving this company into the ground by trying to hit a grand slam 19% raise over 3 years we instead focus on hitting a single?
How about 4% YOY as we have been doing and the company must sunset every DCI contract. By 2022, DCI will be gone. We will take care of Alaska and Republic the next go around?
So how about that? 4% YOY for the next 3 years with sunset clauses? 12% vs 19%, sunset vs significant increase in jumbo RJs?
Oh, and work rules that increase staffing instead of decrease it. That way we can get some movement coupled with retirements so that your pay raises come from moving on up like Weezy. And decrease the PBS staffing formula to be based of 50 hours for reserve pilots instead of 60.
Oh, wait, let me write this as if I was writing a NNP and overuse the word "significant":
Maybe, we should reconsider the raises and just focus on hitting singles in raises and focus on movement instead of significant raises. Like significantly reducing how much is outsourced both to RJs and Alaska, and significantly increasing work rules that facilitate a significant increase in pilots and not a significant decrease in pilots.
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This just in: "Delta Air Lines says it will likely post a loss for the second quarter. Delta lost money on fuel hedges in May and June, which pushed its fuel costs for the quarter to $3.37 per gallon." Record profits indeed! BTW: I'm not predicting doom and gloom, I'm just hedging against it. Additionally, nearly everything in that last “doom and gloom” statement has already occurred. No “foolish” predictions are necessary. If you choose to ignore them, it is your prerogative. Oh, and one more thing: Most of what is happening in the world today is unprecedented. It’s not as benign and simple as you put it, “That is always crap going on and if you want to focus on that you can, but the fact is that the sky is not falling. What you wrote about the future boils down to foolishness really...” I’m glad you can sit back and relax without a care while the World is on fire. I truly hope that works out for ya.

Due to the drop in fuel prices, the company foresees $155 million loss from fuel hedging strategies in the second quarter. Delta Air Lines was 70% hedged for the second quarter at a jet fuel price of $3.05–$3.40 per gallon using collars and call spreads. As a result, the company expects to record operating loss in the quarter with negative 1% margin after accounting for the hedges and other special charges.
However, on a non-GAAP basis, the company still expects operating margin in the range of 8–10% and consolidated unit cost, excluding fuel, to grow 3-4% year over year. Additionally, the company expects both domestic and international flying to decline 1–2% year over year.
Now, the company estimates fuel price of $3.37 per gallon for the ongoing quarter, up from the previous forecast of $3.28 per gallon attributable to hedge losses that were settled in May and June.
For the second quarter, the Zacks Consensus Estimate for Delta remains unchanged at 80 cents over the last 7 days but fell by a penny in the last 30 days. The estimate represents a massive growth of 84.88% from the year-ago quarter.
Further, Delta Air Lines, which competes strongly with United Continental Holdings Inc. (UAL) and Southwest Airlines Co. (LUV), continues to have a healthy balance sheet. The company expects to exit the quarter with $5.3 billion in unrestricted liquidity including $3.5 billion in cash and short-term investments, and $1.8 billion in undrawn revolving credit facilities.
We are currently maintaining our long-term Neutral recommendation on Delta Air Lines. For the short term, the stock retains a Zacks #3 (Hold) Rank.
So without the writeoffs, delta profit will be 80 cents a share....double last year.
This just in: "Delta Air Lines says it will likely post a loss for the second quarter. Delta lost money on fuel hedges in May and June, which pushed its fuel costs for the quarter to $3.37 per gallon." Record profits indeed! BTW: I'm not predicting doom and gloom, I'm just hedging against it. Additionally, nearly everything in that last “doom and gloom” statement has already occurred. No “foolish” predictions are necessary. If you choose to ignore them, it is your prerogative. Oh, and one more thing: Most of what is happening in the world today is unprecedented. It’s not as benign and simple as you put it, “That is always crap going on and if you want to focus on that you can, but the fact is that the sky is not falling. What you wrote about the future boils down to foolishness really...” I’m glad you can sit back and relax without a care while the World is on fire. I truly hope that works out for ya.

Delta Air Lines Announces June Quarter Profit - Jul 27, 2011
Last year it was $366M for the 2Q, this year it'll be double, minus special items (like $155M in hedging losses).
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You have to remember how old Carl is. Way back in the stone age airline pilots flew mail. They navigated by bonfires and the mark one eyeball. Someone got the bright idea to put some passengers on the mailbags. Young Carl's boss bought a bunch of surplus WWI airplanes to cash in on the demand the self loading freight brought. Self loading freight = people.
At this time young Carl had a bad case of WPS. WPS stands for wooden prop syndrome and is similar to shiny jet syndrome that we have today. Carl sold his little sister to some sweat shop for flight lessons. He was soon hired to fly that cool plane with two wings.
Unfortunately those passengers didn't like to travel year round. Poor Carl's first furlough happened in September of 1937. Right after the summer rush. He was so devastated he almost quit flying. Instead he got a job selling Model A Fords at the local dealer. This boom and bust, fly the summer, furlough through the winter cycle lasted five years. By this time Carl accumulated enough time to move on to the big show.......monoplanes!!!!
While I don't know Carl's real story I do know there are many crummy flying jobs out there where the bottom third are furloughed each fall. I'm sure hard work along with a little luck has gotten him where he is today. Enjoy the 747 and retire when your ready Carl. In the meantime, does anyone have Tanya Hardings number? I'm sure she could use a few bucks wacking our senior pilots ankles. She could help with our career stagnation problem! Hahaha



At this time young Carl had a bad case of WPS. WPS stands for wooden prop syndrome and is similar to shiny jet syndrome that we have today. Carl sold his little sister to some sweat shop for flight lessons. He was soon hired to fly that cool plane with two wings.
Unfortunately those passengers didn't like to travel year round. Poor Carl's first furlough happened in September of 1937. Right after the summer rush. He was so devastated he almost quit flying. Instead he got a job selling Model A Fords at the local dealer. This boom and bust, fly the summer, furlough through the winter cycle lasted five years. By this time Carl accumulated enough time to move on to the big show.......monoplanes!!!!
While I don't know Carl's real story I do know there are many crummy flying jobs out there where the bottom third are furloughed each fall. I'm sure hard work along with a little luck has gotten him where he is today. Enjoy the 747 and retire when your ready Carl. In the meantime, does anyone have Tanya Hardings number? I'm sure she could use a few bucks wacking our senior pilots ankles. She could help with our career stagnation problem! Hahaha



I understand it was alot different back then but I am curious if it was Northwest, because that would be complete BS. I am just trying to figure the guy out, especially with his DPA agenda. The 5 in 5 seems like an attempt to solidify his position on having the JR guys backs and knowing what career stagnation is like at DAL. I am just curious if it is truth or not. If it was somewhere else I apologize for the questioning.
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I had a buddy who was furloughed by Northwest Airlines twice since 2000, now with Delta. I don't know the history of furloughs at Northwest or the former Republic Airlines, which was acquired by Northwest in 1986. But Carl's statement does not surprise me, given the tense labor relations at the former Northwest Airlines prior to the merger with Delta.
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