Wow, that's just absolutely terrible. We should not let that happen. Allowing the company to save money and not give it all to us is just crazy. As a yes voter, what was I thinking? Oh, I forgot, according to Jack B we yes voters are just not very bright. My bad.

 

AA Bankrupt TA Reserve Pay 85 hrs. No 7 SC
Still voting yes?

 

Its a CH11 TA, and they got raises in it. What was LOA 51 again? Where is DAL as a business entity now? Should we really expect to see a TA that takes AMR holding out on the CH11 process so long as a contender? If anything the results show that there is more to get if a CH11 airline can offer raises, limit ALV's to what they are limiting them to, max reserve of 85 hrs, RJ's where they are at et al.

It ain't a perfect agreement that they got, but its a far cry from what a bankrupt carrier normally gets. My feeling is this is a creditors agreement that the APA pilots know they will not live under for long. It will be for a little bit before a merger.

 

Agree,
I voted NO and hope this TA gets turned down.

 

Umm... unless they have changed this, there are no 7 short calls because they are ALWAYS on short call (promptly available) on their reserve days. Southwest is like this as well, a fact that the bemoaners of how miserable our reserve system is/will be conveniently omit when they point out that SWA reserves are "only" on call 15 days. I will gladly take the as low as 16 up to 18 days on call with only 6 or 7 short calls dependent on the ALV.

Also, would you rather have 85 hours pay at their ridiculous rates or 75.5 (average) at our rates? The grass is not always greener.

 

This sounds bogus to me. What is their regular line average 105 hours? So the reserve guys are going to get paid 1020 hours per year? 20 hours more than the domestic FAA limit. I would like to see that in writting. If this is true, which I am skeptical of, why would anyone even bid a regular line. If this is true, I may have to rethink my yes vote.

 

I knew there had to be a catch. Thanks. I'm still not buying the 85 hours though until I see it in the news somewhere.

 

Just ask an AMR guy on there forum. You'll get your answer Wave.

 

So what!

If my job is to make pizzas, it ain't my place to buy a pizza oven for the boss!

And I don't give a damn what his pizza oven costs him!

 

The difference is that you can think of the NC as our "buyer's agent" and I can promise you that they didn't take mgmts first or tenth offer. I can assure you that they presented a TA that they felt was the most value they could extract.

The better analogy would be after some torturous negotiating at the dealer you came out with the Passat and your wife was still upset about what you got.

That doesn't mean that no voters are wrong. I highly respect their votes so long as they read the language and decide that only a no vote is warranted. I just fell that our imperfect TA today is still the "least bad" option.

I respect other opinions however. And guess what? If the TA is rejected (which I don't think will happen) the world will still go on and DAL will still make money. I just think our options are slightly brigher over the next three years if the TA passes.