Well said herkflyr. I concur.

 

What makes you so arrogant to presume YOU are buying the ovens in the first place? Because management makes a profit and buys a pizza oven so YOU can have a job, doesn't mean YOU bought the oven. P.S. Did you have that arrogant attitude when you went for your DAL interview? Just wondering.

 

Disagree. if they were truly a buyer agent, they would be telling us what the pitfalls of the agreement and ordering a house inspection. Instead DALPA is singing the praises of this TA to the rafters and there are apparently no flaws.

I guess when the porch falls down and the place gets tented for termites we'll know better next time.

I don't doubt this thing will pass and I will always remember that most on here are keyboard warriors not actual advocates. All of the tough talk from before the year started and when we're offered 4%, we cream our jeans and sell the first born to get the deal. Oh well. C'est la Vie!

 

Waves, I don't get it? Aren't we supposed to think in our jobs? Aren't we supposed to propose better ways of doing things? Are we just supposed to take whatever is shat our way and say thanks?

 

No one says that aren't any flaws in it. Not even the MEC says that. Just another false statement.

 

I know you are attempting to be coy with your ironic tone, but I'll humor you for a second anyway.

When the union members take a stance to hold the line on scope, we are told that the company must do what it needs to from a fleet planning standpoint to stay viable and remain profitable. Essentially DALPA endorses the use of bigger RJs under lower work rules and compensation as a route to make the company more profitable. We are told that we should look at this from an unemotional standpoint while realizing management cannot, and should not, make aircraft purchases to appease the pilot labor group. We have been drilled by DALPA to accept fleet planning/purchase are BUSINESS decisions plain and simple.

So maybe you can understand why I have a little problem when Sailing comes on here and talks down to us peons about how management is spending 2 billion to purchase B717s for us. It's a business decision, plains and simple, and the order in itself carries very little mileage for me when I look at this TA.

I could careless what aircraft they purchase going forward, as long as most of those aircraft are coming here and being flown by DAL pilots.

 

Don't guess you've noticed any concessions of pay, work rules or anything else around here to make up for mgts mistakes or to bring a few 717s on. That's pilots buying airplanes, only pilots are stupid enough to do that.

The kid making pizzas has more sense than to fund the purchase of a pizza oven with paycuts down at Pizza Hut, just so he can have a bigger oven or a second one to sweat over.

If being unwilling to bend over is arrogant, I'm proud to be arrogant. Didn't apply DAL, MSP and DTW based for the past 15 years.

 

Hmmmm, Is someone asking you to not think? Is someone stifling you from proposing better ways of doing things? Did I ever suggest you take whatever is shat your way? Did I ever tell anyone here to vote YES? I have simply shared my reasons for voting NO. I may be very cynical at times, but I haven’t asked anyone on this or any other thread to vote YES. At least if I did, I sure don’t remember it. I’m glad there are guys on here that dissect every detail of the TA. I even agree with some of it. Keep it coming. At least I haven’t called the NO voters “NOT VERY BRIGHT” like someone (not you) on this thread did.

 

Sorry my friend, but the only aircraft we ever purchased for DAL is 767-200 ship 102. I have flown her many times. If you would like a closer look at her she is now a static display in the Delta Museum. All of the other aircraft purchases were made by Delta Air Lines, Inc. Atlanta, GA. Probably always will be. We are Pilots not DAL aircraft purchasing agents. Obviously I’m a glass half full (not regarding beer of course) and you’re a glass half empty kind of guy. I don’t view this as a pay cut like you do. As far as your last statement, well there’s a big surprise.

 

I'll get you another pair of rose colored glasses for Christmas if you'll tell me where you got the ones you're wearing.