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duder 07-26-2012 07:50 AM

At my previous airline minor maintenance issue at outstation (LAV)...

1) Call MX
2) Write up LAV
3) Pilot defers LAV, places sticker in cockpit, locks LAV and tells PAX to take care of business prior to boarding

2 minute process

Same issue at DCI carrier at outstation (LAV)...

1) Call MX
2) Write up LAV
3) MX tells pilot that mechanic has been called and will be there in 1.5-2 hours to defer LAV, place sticker in cockpit, lock LAV and tells PAX to take care of business prior to boarding

2.5 hour process with entire flight missing connection.

:mad: Got to admit, makes everybody think twice about calling MX.

hockeypilot44 07-26-2012 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1235560)
These facets of Delta doing its business, growth no growth, stagnation today growth tomorrow, grow today furlough tomorrow, would have happened whether or not this TA was voted in OR voted out. I dont like it anymore than no voters or yes voters. We are just the gear pullers and no matter how many times we vote no or hold our breath DAL management will manage regardless of how we think we can control the outcome.

It is fallacy to think any different. JMHO Hockey no dissin intended!

I agree with you. Even our scope is hard to enforce when the company just chooses to ignore it.

Bucking Bar 07-26-2012 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by duder (Post 1235586)
At my previous airline minor maintenance issue at outstation (LAV)...

1) Call MX
2) Write up LAV
3) Pilot defers LAV, places sticker in cockpit, locks LAV and tells PAX to take care of business prior to boarding

2 minute process

Same issue at DCI carrier at outstation (LAV)...

1) Call MX
2) Write up LAV
3) MX tells pilot that mechanic has been called and will be there in 1.5-2 hours to defer LAV, place sticker in cockpit, lock LAV and tells PAX to take care of business prior to boarding

2.5 hour process with entire flight missing connection.

:mad: Got to admit, makes everybody think twice about calling MX.

Point being, "they aint our passengers... who cares, maybe the next flight will cancel and I can go home early. Hey, did you hear Wendy's is hiring? They pay fifty cents more per hour."

Candidly, who can blame them? Pinnacle's in bankruptcy. Colgan's departed. Expressjet is losing money, Skywest is picking a fight with Delta, Republic's got no clear future, management will barely commit to Comair for the next 60 days. What motivation do these employees really have?

acl65pilot 07-26-2012 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1235596)
Point being, "they aint our passengers... who cares, maybe the next flight will cancel and I can go home early. Hey, did you hear Wendy's is hiring? They pay fifty cents more per hour."

Candidly, who can blame them? Pinnacle's in bankruptcy. Colgan's departed. Expressjet is losing money, Skywest is picking a fight with Delta, Republic's got no clear future, management will barely commit to Comair for the next 60 days. What motivation do these employees really have?


Clean employment history to get hired at mainline? :rolleyes:

As for SKW, we will see if its a real fight or a point of opportunity for both parties. Time will tell.

Elvis90 07-26-2012 08:42 AM

Bad day at UCH, stock down 7% on failing to meet analysts' expectations (expecting $1.60/share, earning $1.40/share). Add to that a crew force that's voted overwhelmingly to go on strike.

Lifeisgood 07-26-2012 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by texavia (Post 1235548)
Everyone was trying to help Bill Lumberg make 717A.


:D :D :D

Funny, but true! Hope you enjoy it Bill!!

Boomer 07-26-2012 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by Mem9guy (Post 1235547)
Can you not MEL a lav on an RJ? Hour and a half delay so far on my commute this morning for lav service. ASA DCI flight to ATL. Full flight with all of them misconnecting.

From a secret company manual at an unnamed DCI carrier:

In response to Delta's continuing efforts to improve the customer service experience and build on its commitment to its customers, (secret airline's name here) new guidelines concerning passenger comfort restrictions on the aircraft are as follows:
  • Minimum Lavatory Deferral Standards - No flight may depart with less than one operative lavatory on a flight exceeding 60 minutes without prior coordination and approval from SOCC...
If this is the official Delta edict, then ASA was just following orders.

lolwut 07-26-2012 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1235632)
From a secret company manual at an unnamed DCI carrier:

In response to Delta's continuing efforts to improve the customer service experience and build on its commitment to its customers, (secret airline's name here) new guidelines concerning passenger comfort restrictions on the aircraft are as follows:
  • Minimum Lavatory Deferral Standards - No flight may depart with less than one operative lavatory on a flight exceeding 60 minutes without prior coordination and approval from SOCC...
If this is the official Delta edict, then ASA was just following orders.

60mins block or enroute?

I'm sure SOCC approval would take 10 seconds and not a single thought. They care about performance not passengers.

Boomer 07-26-2012 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by lolwut (Post 1235633)
60mins block or enroute?

I'm sure SOCC approval would take 10 seconds and not a single thought. They care about performance not passengers.

It's block in secret regional company's manual, but who knows what Delta's official marching orders are?

It's probably somewhere between "the law of unintended consequences" and "last time we tried to adapt/improvise/overcome we got spanked, so just wait for MX"

Mem9guy 07-26-2012 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by Phuz (Post 1235565)
Dci rj crews are just as well trained and just as professional as mainline crews. Ask Richard.. If a dci crew member second guessed your judgement what would you say?

Not questioning the crew. Captain was doing all he could to get things moving. I just got the feeling that he was stuck working within a very poor system without much help.


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