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Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1254091)
Just checked the Raw scores for ATL 88B. The system appears to working pretty good. Here are the numbers:
185 164 163 167 170 168 166 173 150 147 134 153 148 143 148 135 158 153 104 109 119 153 The most senior pilot had a raw of 150. To all those who predicted junior guys flying their A$$ of and senior guys sitting at home - I still have not seen it. Scoop I broke it out by where these pilots are in the reserve seniority list (top 25%, 2nd 25%, etc) and how many flight hours they have, which btw is still not a great indication of work load. For instance, I did a 4 day this month worth 15 block hours and it's nothing to have 2/3rds of your trip being deadheads. But: 185-2nd 25% 73 hours 164-2nd 25%, 51 hours 163-2nd 25% 64 hours 167-2nd 25%, 59 hours 170-4th 25%, 80 hours 168-4th 25%, 73 hours 166-4th 25%, 63 hours 173-4th 25% 78 hours 150-top 25% 36 hours 147-top 25% 38 hours 134-2nd 25% 60 hours 153-2nd 25% 63 hours 148-2nd 25% 57 hours 143-2nd 25% 45 hours 148-2nd 25% 56 hours 135-2nd 25% 56 hours 158-3rd 25% 50 hours 153-2nd 25% 56 hours 104-1st 25% 40 hours 109-1st 25% 39 hours 119-1st 25% 50 hours 153-2nd 25% 63 hours 108-1st 25%, 40 hours |
Question for the APC brain trust...
On reserve... I understand that, once you have exceeded the "max reserve" for the month, they can't use you for any more flying. But can you still yellow slip (i.e. submit a preference for being first for flying), as long as it doesn't take you over the max projection (15 over ALV)? |
Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
(Post 1254159)
Question for the APC brain trust...
On reserve... I understand that, once you have exceeded the "max reserve" for the month, they can't use you for any more flying. But can you still yellow slip (i.e. submit a preference for being first for flying), as long as it doesn't take you over the max projection (15 over ALV)? |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1254091)
Just checked the Raw scores for ATL 88B. The system appears to working pretty good. Here are the numbers:
185 164 163 167 170 168 166 173 150 147 134 153 148 143 148 135 158 153 104 109 119 153 The most senior pilot had a raw of 150. To all those who predicted junior guys flying their A$$ of and senior guys sitting at home - I still have not seen it. Scoop |
My thought on the old vs new reserve system is this; the old SHORT CALL system was broken and needed to be fixed, not the long call system. What we did was get rid of snakes in the house by letting bears in.
If senior pilots had anything to complain about it was an unpredictable, asinine and 0 raw score SC system. I could see where senior pilots were irritated with it, I know I was. The fix was to revive the old seniority only system for LC and the result was the QOL for a majority of reserve pilots was destroyed while the top group retained the same LC QOL they had before. Seniority already was taken into account under the old system, senior pilots typically didn't fly to week 3 or 4. The difference now is for the top 25-50% who are perpetually at the top of reserve due to the high RAW threshold buckets and the bottom 50% are slaughtered with the changes plus weekend staffing requirements. The SC changes should have been the only changes for at least a year and that's it. Let me give you one anecdotal story. May 2012, buddy of mine matched had all weekends off minus one Sunday. He flew 11 days, sat SC another 3, total of 14 days dedicated to work. I had the same schedule but all weekends off, 1 sat 0 SCs and flew a single 3-day. I was at 30%, he was at 50%. That’s not a good system. A lot of this mind you is a moo point. I think I see the company’s fix for preventing pilots from flying 0 hours and that’s having more 65 hour lines and cutting reserve by 25% or so. Maybe even more the next go around. That’s one way to get the average hours flown by a reserve pilot increased to that 60 PBS staffing formula number. /two cents |
Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
(Post 1254170)
Doesn't the system only show you the people who are available?
Yes, But being the last day of the month this is the best time to take the snapshot. The numbers are pretty well spread out. I have yet to see the "fictional" senior pilot sitting at home surfing APC and eating bon bons all month with a RAW of zero. If you are saying the system is not perfect - I will agree with you. If on the other hand you think the system unduly burdens the Junior Pilots I respectfully disagree. Think about it - the instant a Pilot gets into bucket two, all other things being equal, he goes to the back of the list. So the only disparity that can be attributed to seniority is a 1 bucket difference. Anything greater than a 1 bucket difference, and a lot of stuff while in the same bucket is sheer luck, good and bad. This works both ways. If you are senior and you are the only 3 day bubba available, congratulations you are the new "owner" of that crappy three day that no line holder wanted to pick up! :) Yes the QOL of the senior reserve guys is better - but not unfairly so. I would say the difference of QOL between a senior reserve and a junior reserve is no different than the QOL difference between a senior line-holder and a bottom line-holder. And will go further to say that this difference is even less in some categories (LAX 73N) where the bottom line-holders get a month of Crapola! I switch back between a line and reserve and have experienced the good and bad of both. Scoop |
Anyone commute out of ATL? Where are we supposed to park?
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1254171)
My thought on the old vs new reserve system is this; the old SHORT CALL system was broken and needed to be fixed, not the long call system. What we did was get rid of snakes in the house by letting bears in.
If senior pilots had anything to complain about it was an unpredictable, asinine and 0 raw score SC system. I could see where senior pilots were irritated with it, I know I was. The fix was to revive the old seniority only system for LC and the result was the QOL for a majority of reserve pilots was destroyed while the top group retained the same LC QOL they had before. Seniority already was taken into account under the old system, senior pilots typically didn't fly to week 3 or 4. The difference now is for the top 25-50% who are perpetually at the top of reserve due to the high RAW threshold buckets and the bottom 50% are slaughtered with the changes plus weekend staffing requirements. The SC changes should have been the only changes for at least a year and that's it. Let me give you one anecdotal story. May 2012, buddy of mine matched had all weekends off minus one Sunday. He flew 11 days, sat SC another 3, total of 14 days dedicated to work. I had the same schedule but all weekends off, 1 sat 0 SCs and flew a single 3-day. I was at 30%, he was at 50%. That’s not a good system. A lot of this mind you is a moo point. I think I see the company’s fix for preventing pilots from flying 0 hours and that’s having more 65 hour lines and cutting reserve by 25% or so. Maybe even more the next go around. That’s one way to get the average hours flown by a reserve pilot increased to that 60 PBS staffing formula number. /two cents Look at the the numbers posted above. We all have anecdotal stories but when the whole category is pretty much all flying similar numbers I would have to say the system is working. Scoop |
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