Well, at least his opinion is backed up with data. Right now yours is only an opinion!!:)

Denny

FTB,

I would rather have a system that gives the best QOL to the most pilots and that is exactly what brought about this system in the first place.

If you think the current bucket system needs to be adjusted go to a union meeting and propose it . I for one would like to see some hard reserve usage data covering all the fleets and all the bases. Like I have said before, if the data shows the junior guys are being screwed lets fix it.

Contrary to CAPT Crunches Post above I have nothing vested in this system, its just that every time I look at different categories the numbers appear to be pretty fair.

Scoop

Denny,

Thanks. For what its worth we hear a lot of anecdotal stories about junior guys being abused by the new system but I have yet to see anyone skeptical of the system post a whole categories worth of numbers late in any month showing this.

I have seen plenty of posts (including my own) showing the system is doing a good job spreading out flying but only "stories" to the contrary.

A category showing a lot of junior guys with Raw scores well over 80 and a lot of senior guys with zero would go a long way to convincing guys the system needs to be fixed.

Scoop

Jughead, you are completely correct. It is a
Vandy weekend.

actually I've had a few conversations about it with the union and can post the summary when I get back to the computer.

like I mentioned the thing that was broken before was SC. it counted for nothing and was assigned at random. that's been fixed and is great. but that's where changes should've stopped and time allowed to pass before more radical changes were made.

having worked in both systems, the raw score only long call was a better QOL for more pilots than with the bucket system. remember in the raw only the senior pilots, contrary to pulsar belief, flew last because seniority did matter a lot on LC.

but it was a system once everyone had worked at least a little then reverted to a simple ye who works the least goes first. that was a good system and the flying was spread out minus the effects of SC.

the thing is if we looked at the data and junior pilots were not being screwed then I think they'd need to fix it by raising the 80 raw score bucket to 120. that's if their goal is to remain consistent with the idea of a seniority only system minus strings attached by a company who has no desire to pay pilots in full not to work in full.

my question is do you want a system that requires you to be in the top 70% of a category to have decent QOL or one that says if your okay with being on reserve you can have a pretty good QOL even at 90% in category?

Does this mean an American - US Air merger is a fait accompli?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/01/business/american-airlines-and-us-airways-enter-merger-talks.html?_r=1&partner=yahoofinance

remember raw scores are not indicative of ow much someone is working. If you look and see a senior pilot with a 175 raw score with the average raw score below 100 then you might conclude the system screwed that guy. But look at their schedule and chances are you'll find some MLOA time.

flight hours comes closer to showing work but even then I'd argue when you are called out a trip then most of the time you have little control over whether you're flying a 23 hour four day or a 15 hour four day, or a 8 hour day trip of a deadhead to a 1 hour flight to a deadhead home.

what i'd like to see if days worked off LC plus SCs sat plus days worked off SC.

FTB,

Good discussion and you bring up many good points. All of which however, have valid counterpoints. To answer you question above - my answer remains the same: I would rather have a system that gives the best QOL to the most pilots.

So why stop at the reserve Pilots - why not spread QOL out amongst all pilots. When I bid a line every Pilot above me is awarded at least three rotations before I can pick my first. Extrapolating your logic to lineholders, why not every pilot pick a single rotation in seniority order, then when every line-holder has his "Primary" rotation you go back and the most senior Pilot picks his second rotation and so down the seniority list until all the line-holders are finished?

Wouldn't this also be a way of ensuring that the top 70% of line-holders get a better QOL than just the first 1/3 getting great lines, the second 1/3 doing OK and the bottom 1/3 getting the scraps?

Like I say, you bring up many good points but one Pilots scheduling improvement is often another Pilots scheduling degradation. The current system is a result of numerous adjustments over the years some changes increasing the power of seniority other changes decreasing it.

The only thing that remains the same is that as soon as the changes are implemented the group that perceives themselves to be harmed by the new rules gets mad as Hell. I have no doubt this refinement process will continue, and it should, but it should be based on the analysis of a substantial amount of hard data covering all the domiciles and all the equipment.

Scoop :)

No, I means that Doug Parker agreed to a NDA to explore a merger the way Tom Horton wants to do it, by AMR being the acquiring carrier.

Fwiw many carriers have signed one with AMR. ALK and British Airways to name a few.

I saw a Delta 757 land in TCL (Tuscaloosa, AL) today. Why?