No. They will be placed on your next reserve day, and will start when you duty off, so you don't even get "calendar" days. The only exception to this is if you only have X days remaining in the month and they can't give you the PB day in that month.

This IMO is a good thing, as the days go into your Bank and you can then place them where you want them. My favorite way to use PB days is to maneuver my sked so I have 5 on call days in a row. Then put a PB day on day 3 (subject to coverage of course) and boom - you now have a stretch of 2 on, 1 off, 2 on. This works really well in a "hungry" category where guys are gobbling up WS's like crazy. ATL 73N was like that last winter, and I knew if I got down to 2 days left then I was basically home free. Using this strategy would buy me a week off by only using 1 PB day.

Also worth noting, PB days automatically become supplemental vacation days if you don't use them by the end of the calendar year in which you earned them (ie December 31st each year). They are FAR more valuable to me, from a sked manipulation standpoint, to place where I want them, than to have them appended to my vacation. YMMV.

Congrats on the GS :D I'm hoping to pick one up near the end of the month for the reasons spelled out above.

I agree that the SEC info is overall good news.

Thanks.

Scoop :)

FDX ALPA membership elected their president the same way Delta pilots did. BTW, we have the same president and I don't mean POTUS. That little lesson is free.

Are you a moderator? If so, should a moderator be tossing around personal insults? "kool-aid man"? Really? Does APC have shills as moderators?

Your math is flawed. By the start of 2015 we will only have taken delivery of about 45 717's. The difference between that number and 88 makes the numbers add up.

i just caught up on the threads last 20 pages and basically this is what i read just in visual format

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/...if?w=320&h=240

The question was whether or not we would need a new PWA. If we acquired assets, did not hit a fragmentation limit, or took them from an entity that did not have said fragmentation clause, but included pilots in said deal, this requires a new PWA? I would say not necessarily.

Now buying a airline or merging with another airline, esp a ALPA airline would most certainly require it.

If you also recall the dialogue between Shiznit and I, he stated these different sections of the PWA of which you refer, the intent and discussion the negotiators gleaned from the management team and are part of the negotiators notes. If you further recall, I fully admitted that I was not privy to those discussion or clarifications and what he stated made perfect sense. I also further stated that the definition of a DAL jets, to which you refer, was not where I was looking, and that I was glad to have him clarify this finer point that the negotiators apparently did for him.

*Slow, I am willing to have my points corrected. I do not claim to know all of the answers. I ask questions and have my perceptions corrected. As I stated above, the apparent negotiators notes and intent that Shiz itemized along with how we (DALPA and the company) read the different parts of the PWA are more than enough for me to agree with everything you state except some random one off that does not have a SLI or aircraft identified as "non-delta) aircraft.

I wanted to point it out because it is apparent that it is often missed.

No one including I omit that there are positives though out the PWA (former TA).

As for section 1, many clarifications were made on here during the TA process like the one I outlined to Slow. I was not privy to the negotiators notes, nor did I make the connection about permitted aircraft type in Section 2 and how it pertains to mergers and the triggers for a new PWA. Shiznit pointed that out, and I am darn glad he did. I learned something from that back and forth. (so much for us adopting one place right place :D ) The whole debate on here or anywhere should be about a transfer of ideas and debating pro v con on issues. Debate and different opinions are good to further the goals of all Delta Pilots.

That said, I enjoyed most of the debate on the TA. We have a PWA that has a much good, but also many areas that need improving. We can make progress from here. With spirited debate with a lack of name calling, we can have a debate of ideas and positions. That goes for both sides of any issue. There is no place for name calling. It serves no purpose. Debate and differing opinions should be encouraged.

We have a PWA that is in full effect. Whether or not you voted for is matters little. The will of the Delta Pilots is what counts. Everyone needs to put the hostilities they felt or perceived at that time aside, embrace all ideas, and move forward, in a spirit of inclusiveness of all ideas and Delta Pilots from here. Without this we will have a harder time getting more for the Delta Pilots down the road. In the end that is all that matters.

Well pay, scope, work rules, retirement, yadda yadda and all that. But I don't see the FT/DT as an opportunity to mine very much of anything. Clearly the company will want relief the current contractual 3/4 man crew parameters so they can trash the operation by pushing the limits for the extra hour. Legal to start, legal to fin...wait, we're not legal to finish? Oh crap, now what do we do!

But I really don't think we should give that up, and I double secret really don't think we'll get much if anything in return for it. Especially when a single issue mid contract item like that would only deliver partial gains compared to the losses, otherwise they wouldn't bother worrying with it in the first place. The company will only want that for one reason: to reduce pilot headcount. Anything we get for that one reason will be limited by the value of that, and odds are quite a bit less, otherwise the company wouldn't bother to begin with.

But if we're playing this game anyway, I want language forbidding the renewal of half of the upcoming large jet DCI contracts, the 5 99.9K lbs DPJ flown by current DL seniority list pilots (the contractors who were illegally flying them before we won the grieveance can be stapled behind the next 500 new hires and they can fly them when they can hold them) and a 5 hour vacation day.

Oh, and for every flight that times out because they chose to run it with a zero cushion "looks good on paper" block hour increase when there is the slightest delay anywhere, DALPA gets a one million dollar "see I told you so" penalty to offset member dues and eventually to distribute evenly among the pilot group when it fully funds the budget.