Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-31-2012 | 09:39 AM
Da Hudge
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From: Poodle Whisperer
Our Pan Am pilots wouldn't have any issue with LGA in its current state.
10-31-2012 | 09:44 AM
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From the DALPA blast mail that went out today. This assuming you have not already reported for the rotation. If you have, a whole other set of rules applies....
If he is removed from the first leg of a rotation, he must remain available for recovery flying as follows:
· If he is notified of the removal before reporting for the original rotation,
o He has no obligation to be contactable prior to the original report time. He
is essentially on short call beginning at the original report time and continuing for six hours, unless he is notified of a recovery assignment or released by Crew Scheduling prior to six hours.
o He may be notified, prior to the original report, of a recovery assignment. He is under no contact obligation, but may acknowledge such recovery assignment and then report at the scheduled report time for the recovery rotation.
o He may be assigned flying that reports on any day of the original rotation, but not earlier than his original report, and releases not later than four hours after his original release. An international category pilot may be assigned recovery flying scheduled to release not later than four hours after his original release, or same calendar day, provided the last duty period of the recovery flying contains an ocean crossing.
o If no recovery flying has been assigned by six hours after the original report time, the pilot is released with no further recovery obligation and retains full pay of the original rotation. The pilot is then free to pickup flying over the days of the original rotation and be paid for both rotations.
Also....
A regular pilot will be released from Section 23 K. recovery obligation if
· He requests to be released, and
· Waives his rotation guarantee, and
· Crew Scheduling agrees.
A regular pilot will be released from Section 23 K. recovery obligation if
· He requests to be released, and
· Waives his rotation guarantee, and
· The time until originally scheduled report is greater than 24 hours, and
· Reserves available are at least 50% of reserves required.
If he is removed from the first leg of a rotation, he must remain available for recovery flying as follows:
· If he is notified of the removal before reporting for the original rotation,
o He has no obligation to be contactable prior to the original report time. He
is essentially on short call beginning at the original report time and continuing for six hours, unless he is notified of a recovery assignment or released by Crew Scheduling prior to six hours.
o He may be notified, prior to the original report, of a recovery assignment. He is under no contact obligation, but may acknowledge such recovery assignment and then report at the scheduled report time for the recovery rotation.
o He may be assigned flying that reports on any day of the original rotation, but not earlier than his original report, and releases not later than four hours after his original release. An international category pilot may be assigned recovery flying scheduled to release not later than four hours after his original release, or same calendar day, provided the last duty period of the recovery flying contains an ocean crossing.
o If no recovery flying has been assigned by six hours after the original report time, the pilot is released with no further recovery obligation and retains full pay of the original rotation. The pilot is then free to pickup flying over the days of the original rotation and be paid for both rotations.
Also....
A regular pilot will be released from Section 23 K. recovery obligation if
· He requests to be released, and
· Waives his rotation guarantee, and
· Crew Scheduling agrees.
A regular pilot will be released from Section 23 K. recovery obligation if
· He requests to be released, and
· Waives his rotation guarantee, and
· The time until originally scheduled report is greater than 24 hours, and
· Reserves available are at least 50% of reserves required.
I did not get the white-slip for tomorrow - and the reason is: "does not meet contractual time limits". So.... is this a scheduling mistake, or is the above info not correct? Just curious!
10-31-2012 | 09:55 AM
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Is anyone out there familiar with minimum line guarantee?
I'm stuck in AMS now (I know, woe is me), with a 48 hour layover that's become a 98 hour layover. My original trip was due back before the end of the month, but the reroute is a transition trip.
My original monthly projection was 67 hours. Now, since the new trip pays mostly next month, my projection is 56 hours. I haven't modified my line from what I was initially awarded. Does the line guarantee of 65 hours apply here? The way I read it, the answer seems to be yes, but a second opinion is always nice...
Thanks. (I don't want to make a call to ALPA; they've got more important things to do right now.)
I'm stuck in AMS now (I know, woe is me), with a 48 hour layover that's become a 98 hour layover. My original trip was due back before the end of the month, but the reroute is a transition trip.
My original monthly projection was 67 hours. Now, since the new trip pays mostly next month, my projection is 56 hours. I haven't modified my line from what I was initially awarded. Does the line guarantee of 65 hours apply here? The way I read it, the answer seems to be yes, but a second opinion is always nice...
Thanks. (I don't want to make a call to ALPA; they've got more important things to do right now.)
10-31-2012 | 09:56 AM
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Generally it does, with some exceptions. Section 22 G explains it.
39 added to the category freeze resulting from the Captain position award.
12 G. Category Freeze
13
14 1. A pilot who is awarded an AE or VD will incur a 24-month category freeze, and an entry
15 level pilot will incur a 12-month category freeze.
16 Exception one: A domestic category pilot will incur a 9-month category freeze if:
17 a. the award is an AE or VD for the same status in an international category, and
18 b. he requires no qualification training, other than world-wide operations ground
19 school and simulator(s).
20 Exception two: Subject to
13
14 1. A pilot who is awarded an AE or VD will incur a 24-month category freeze, and an entry
15 level pilot will incur a 12-month category freeze.
16 Exception one: A domestic category pilot will incur a 9-month category freeze if:
17 a. the award is an AE or VD for the same status in an international category, and
18 b. he requires no qualification training, other than world-wide operations ground
19 school and simulator(s).
20 Exception two: Subject to
Section 22 G. 1. Exception one b., a pilot currently under a
21 category freeze may be awarded an AE or VD to the same position at a different base.
22 Exception three: A B-767/B-757 or a B-767/B-757 (International) pilot who is awarded
23 an AE or VD in the same status for the B-767-400ER and undergoes B-757/767 to B-
24 767-400ER qualification training will incur a 9-month category freeze.
25 Exception four: A B-767-400ER pilot who is awarded an AE or VD in the same status
26 for the B-767/B-757 or the B-767/B-757 (International) and undergoes B-767-400ER to
27 B-757/767 qualification training will incur a 9-month category freeze.
28 2. A category freeze applies to a pilot who is awarded an AE or VD whether or not he is
29 bypassed under Section 22 E. 14. A pilot who has been bypassed will be deemed to hold
30 the category to which he is being pay protected to determine his eligibility for another
31 AE or VD.
32 3. A pilot who, during his category freeze, is awarded a subsequent AE to the same position
33 at another base may be held in the category of his freeze until a replacement is trained
34 and converted. When such replacement is trained and converted, the pilot will be
35 converted in accordance with the subsequent AE.
36 4. A pilot who is under a category freeze and who has not previously completed training for
37 a mainline Captain position shall nevertheless be eligible to be awarded a Captain
38 position. In such event, the balance of such pilot’s existing category freeze shall be
21 category freeze may be awarded an AE or VD to the same position at a different base.
22 Exception three: A B-767/B-757 or a B-767/B-757 (International) pilot who is awarded
23 an AE or VD in the same status for the B-767-400ER and undergoes B-757/767 to B-
24 767-400ER qualification training will incur a 9-month category freeze.
25 Exception four: A B-767-400ER pilot who is awarded an AE or VD in the same status
26 for the B-767/B-757 or the B-767/B-757 (International) and undergoes B-767-400ER to
27 B-757/767 qualification training will incur a 9-month category freeze.
28 2. A category freeze applies to a pilot who is awarded an AE or VD whether or not he is
29 bypassed under Section 22 E. 14. A pilot who has been bypassed will be deemed to hold
30 the category to which he is being pay protected to determine his eligibility for another
31 AE or VD.
32 3. A pilot who, during his category freeze, is awarded a subsequent AE to the same position
33 at another base may be held in the category of his freeze until a replacement is trained
34 and converted. When such replacement is trained and converted, the pilot will be
35 converted in accordance with the subsequent AE.
36 4. A pilot who is under a category freeze and who has not previously completed training for
37 a mainline Captain position shall nevertheless be eligible to be awarded a Captain
38 position. In such event, the balance of such pilot’s existing category freeze shall be
39 added to the category freeze resulting from the Captain position award.
10-31-2012 | 09:57 AM
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From: Light Chop
Keating
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But you see gentlemen, these pilots are now fertilizing daffodils.
However, if you fly the ER out of New York, you'll have the opportunity to see their flight attendants on a trip. So make sure you ask to carry all seven of their bags up the jetway stairs, because it may get you somewhere.
Just like it worked for those Pan Am pilots who are now fertilizing daffodils.
Carpe diem.
10-31-2012 | 09:58 AM
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From: Kickin’ Back
I was not assigned any recovery flying, and today I requested another white-slip for a trip departing tomorrow. Original WS that was 23K'd was 30Oct-1Nov. According to the info above, I should have been able to pick up another trip on any of those days if i was not assigned anything within 6 hours of my check-in.
I did not get the white-slip for tomorrow - and the reason is: "does not meet contractual time limits". So.... is this a scheduling mistake, or is the above info not correct? Just curious!
I did not get the white-slip for tomorrow - and the reason is: "does not meet contractual time limits". So.... is this a scheduling mistake, or is the above info not correct? Just curious!
Denny
10-31-2012 | 10:02 AM
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From: Light Chop
The lights are all still OTS.So I bet your chances of having to show are way greater than your chance of going.
10-31-2012 | 10:11 AM
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From: maddoggy dog
It reminds me of all of those Guadalajara maintenance check flights on the 88. You'll deadhead down knowing the airplane won't be ready for tomorrow. You'll show up the next day and the plane won't be ready. Then the LCA will call and get your day off rolled so that they can keep you another day turning this three day waste of your time into a four day waste of your time.
But the steaks and cheap beer at the lake made up for it!
10-31-2012 | 10:15 AM
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From: DAL Pilot
10-31-2012 | 10:18 AM
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From: Kickin’ Back
It reminds me of all of those Guadalajara maintenance check flights on the 88. You'll deadhead down knowing the airplane won't be ready for tomorrow. You'll show up the next day and the plane won't be ready. Then the LCA will call and get your day off rolled so that they can keep you another day turning this three day waste of your time into a four day waste of your time.
So I bet your chances of having to show are way greater than your chance of going.
So I bet your chances of having to show are way greater than your chance of going.
The Company substituted equipment on the first leg and then decided 3 hours after we left to substitute equipment on the way back too.......
Denny
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