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Bucking Bar 11-23-2012 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1297853)
Wrongwrongwrongwrongwrong You're WRONG!

Feeling a bit more fringe today, Bar? :rolleyes: Yikes.... This is up there with some of your more paranoid and out there posts!


(see, NERD, it's possible to disagree with someone on the internet without turning yourself inside out and blowing a fuse)

Care to elaborate on "Wrongwrongwrongwrongwrong You're WRONG!". Perhaps instead of stating that Delta continued NWA's "capacity discipline" I should have wrote "accelerated it. (Sailingfun will be along to tell me that we're doing great ... and his seniority might be ... or maybe he's a JetBlue, Alaska or Spirit, pilot ... they're happy to take our spillage )

I burned leaves today and at least increased carbon levels in the neighborhood.

Cycle Pilot 11-23-2012 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1297920)
So if she did a firmware update (or something similar) she should expect better performance?

Yep! The Android update to 4.1.2 (Jelly Bean) started rolling out to the S3 last month.

buzzpat 11-23-2012 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1297964)
Care to elaborate on "Wrongwrongwrongwrongwrong You're WRONG!". Perhaps instead of stating that Delta continued NWA's "capacity discipline" I should have wrote "accelerated it. (Sailingfun will be along to tell me that we're doing great ... and his seniority might be ... or maybe he's a JetBlue, Alaska or Spirit, pilot ... they're happy to take our spillage )

I burned leaves today and at least increased carbon levels in the neighborhood.

Flew from MIA to LAX today and landed precisely in our "arrival window." Our scheduled gate was 67. As I was braking and exiting the high speed, we got a gate change ACARS message to a gate that was occupied by a Frontier jet. Our gate, 67, was empty at the time. We called the ramp and asked why our gate had been changed to one that was occupied from one that was currently empty. The answer: there's an inbound Alaska flight which will now get our original gate. OK, how about another gate since Frontier isn't scheduled to push for 30 minutes? No, a Great Lakes Brasilia, inbound, gets the other empty one.

So, a 737-800 packed to the gills and on time has to wait for an inbound Alaska flight and a Great Lakes Brasilia that aren't even here yet.

Glad we can be so accommodating to other airlines pax. Our Delta pax weren't so happy burning on the taxiway for 40 minutes. I'm sure marketing has an answer but it sure doesn't seem like we're doing right by OUR passengers.

forgot to bid 11-23-2012 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1297988)
Flew from MIA to LAX today and landed precisely in our "arrival window." Our scheduled gate was 67. As I was braking and exiting the high speed, we got a gate change ACARS message to a gate that was occupied by a Frontier jet. Our gate, 67, was empty at the time. We called the ramp and asked why our gate had been changed to one that was occupied from one that was currently empty. The answer: there's an inbound Alaska flight which will now get our original gate. OK, how about another gate since Frontier isn't scheduled to push for 30 minutes? No, a Great Lakes Brasilia, inbound, gets the other empty one.


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1297988)

So, a 737-800 packed to the gills and on time has to wait for an inbound Alaska flight and a Great Lakes Brasilia that aren't even here yet.

Glad we can be so accommodating to other airlines pax. Our Delta pax weren't so happy burning on the taxiway for 40 minutes. I'm sure marketing has an answer but it sure doesn't seem like we're doing right by OUR passengers.

epic fail.

Elvis90 11-23-2012 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1297988)
Flew from MIA to LAX today and landed precisely in our "arrival window." Our scheduled gate was 67. As I was braking and exiting the high speed, we got a gate change ACARS message to a gate that was occupied by a Frontier jet. Our gate, 67, was empty at the time. We called the ramp and asked why our gate had been changed to one that was occupied from one that was currently empty. The answer: there's an inbound Alaska flight which will now get our original gate. OK, how about another gate since Frontier isn't scheduled to push for 30 minutes? No, a Great Lakes Brasilia, inbound, gets the other empty one.

So, a 737-800 packed to the gills and on time has to wait for an inbound Alaska flight and a Great Lakes Brasilia that aren't even here yet.

Glad we can be so accommodating to other airlines pax. Our Delta pax weren't so happy burning on the taxiway for 40 minutes. I'm sure marketing has an answer but it sure doesn't seem like we're doing right by OUR passengers.

Would this be worth an FCR write-up to report a stupid decision as viewed from the front line? Maybe someone higher up will exercise some common sense and fix this for future crews.

80ktsClamp 11-23-2012 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1297964)
Care to elaborate on "Wrongwrongwrongwrongwrong You're WRONG!". Perhaps instead of stating that Delta continued NWA's "capacity discipline" I should have wrote "accelerated it. (Sailingfun will be along to tell me that we're doing great ... and his seniority might be ... or maybe he's a JetBlue, Alaska or Spirit, pilot ... they're happy to take our spillage )

I burned leaves today and at least increased carbon levels in the neighborhood.

Picture Dr. Cox from Scrubs when reading the wrong thing. :)

Capacity discipline was not an NW thing. You need to research your history better. What we are seeing with the AF/KL code share is running closer and closer to what NW did with that trend will continue to accelerate. I would agree with you if you had stated it that way. I don't like it, but that's what they are doing.

As far as the global warming thing, you've lived in GA long enough to know better than what you stated about having a 70 degree day in Nov. It's going to be below average by as much in the coming week. Would you care to blame that on Global Cooling?

80ktsClamp 11-23-2012 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1298000)
Would this be worth an FCR write-up to report a stupid decision as viewed from the front line? Maybe someone higher up will exercise some common sense and fix this for future crews.

I agree.. that is appalling and absolutely FCR worthy.

Speaking of- with the new gates in BWI, it appears many of the issues there have been corrected.

buzzpat 11-23-2012 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1298000)
Would this be worth an FCR write-up to report a stupid decision as viewed from the front line? Maybe someone higher up will exercise some common sense and fix this for future crews.

Yeah, we're on it. The CA called the Terminal 6 gate "manager." Why all the angst about D+0 and landing windows if all of our en route efforts come down to some guy trying to weigh the impacts of us being on time with other carriers being late? We ended up being late because the other carriers were late.

Timbo 11-23-2012 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1298004)
Yeah, we're on it. The CA called the Terminal 6 gate "manager" and chewed his ass for awhile. Why all the angst about D+0 and landing windows if all of our en route efforts come down to some guy trying to weigh the impacts of us being on time with other carriers being late? We ended up being late because the other carriers were late.


I've often wondered what would happen if we just rolled into an empty gate. What are they going to do? Fire you? "We had a medical issue with a passenger..." should take care of any discussion.

Now, get an agent and open the damn door!

The morons that run ACS never cease to amaze me.

buzzpat 11-23-2012 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1298008)
I've often wondered what would happen if we just rolled into an empty gate. What are they going to do? Fire you? "We had a medical issue with a passenger..." should take care of any discussion.

Now, get an agent and open the damn door!

The morons that run ACS never cease to amaze me.

It does take the wind out of the sails when you do everything by the book and make it happen only to be frustrated and delayed by an apparently non-common sense approach to our product.

Plus, the LAX tower guys are good. If your gate ain't open, they send you to the penalty box so you don't clog up the taxiways.


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