Please tell me that you have a vision of being the last of this kind, the Delta pilot that needs to invest in work equipment, ACL.

Sounds a little sanctimonious, Shiznit. Don't take this as sarcasm, but I assume one won't be able to attend the pertinent discussions, since they'll be in closed session. I also assume we won't be able to present input that is thoughtful, intelligent, or meaningful, since it will be necessity uninformed input.

How can I steer my rep on something he probably can't even confirm is happening. How do I know whether something is good, or bad, if I don't know what it is?

I trust my reps to do their best, but I think it's a little disingenuous to suggest any of us are failing to provide input on something this vague. I'd be pretty thrilled to read that I'm at least going to vote on the results.

You have any input on that? I don't need 500 words; a sentence will do.

Sanctimonious as in "hypocritically pious"? C'mon man.... You are taking quite a pessimistic view here.

I'm saying that we ALL need to read the applicable parts of the PWA.
(including me, I re-read those sections twice tonight....my Steelers already won so I had little else to do:)).

You can still provide input to your reps even if it is theoretical.

I think that the language is there to read. I sincerely hope guys take the time to dig into it a little bit and then inform their reps on the "direction" they would like to see us take.

Obviously the detail work will be done in closed session and by the NC when applicable, but it is up to us to make our position known and what we'd like to see. How else will the reps know they have a mandate from their constituents unless we give them one?

I don't get to sit in on the closed session briefs either, but I will make sure that I am as knowledgeable about the PWA as I can, and be equipped to take a logical, rational position on what I see happening.

My rep knows my stand on most issues. While he doesn't always necessarily agree with my perspective, I have influenced him to look at issues from perspectives he hadn't considered. MANY more times he has offered salient points that countered what I thought initially but were much better and well-thought out than what I had concluded, and thus changed my stance.

Sorry that was more than one sentence, I'm not into the whole brevity thing.

Speed reading this thread is always fun.

It's half freaking out about buying Virgin, Bar's protesting, Timbo can't wait to fly with their FA's because ours are grandmas and beer and boobs, and beer and boobs and dog gifs...

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Nothing worries this group. :D

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Well I sailed on the Enterprise, a nuclear wessle, for a whole day. And man did my legs hurt. How do you live on a ship for months??

Anyways, I'm glad I got to go on it.

Launched in 1960, retired this past weekend.

Ain't it amazing.

F-14s... gone.
USS Enterprise... retired.
Top Gun at Miramar... moved.
Kelly McGillis... not the same.
Tom Cruise... still looks the same?

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Its interesting that the MEC passed the code share on the first vote with 100 percent voting for it. Most complaining don't even seem to understand it. Delta has one marginal route to Australia that we have been unable so far to make profitable year round. The route has been on the chopping block for a long time. The current agreement on code shares would allow the company to link with VB and not consult us in any way. They could have up to 28 flights a week verses our 7 flights. The newly signed agreement limits VB to 21 flights a week. If they exceed that Delta's share of the flying goes up. To get 28 flights a week on VB Delta would have to have 14 flights. Overall a much better deal. The other thing is the amount of passengers this will funnel into Domestic US flights. Something that this forum never even considers on codeshares yet is very important.

Virgin does have some A380's on order. They are there to replace 747's. They also have 787's on order however they will replace larger A340's. They have no real fleet growth planned and are losing money. Branson is rumored to be getting tired of his airline empire sucking cash out of the rest of his business activities and wants out. A deal to purchase VA might also allow for the shutdown or sale of Virgin America. They have extremely low pay rates and our depressing yields in many key transcon markets.

While the thought of a VA partnership certainly may have some negative, or at best different short term implications for us, it might be prudent to expand your view of the industry globally and consider who else might possibly interested buying VA and getting a major foothold in the LHR-JFK/East Coast market and the long term implications of that :eek:

If there is anything to this and DAL pulls it off it may in fact be a major strategic win for us in the long run.