Originally Posted by daldude (Post 1310916)

Ed Bastian - President


"Well, there is lot of moving pieces in that because there was a significant amount of productivity overtime in that contract that helps us manage the seasonality peak that I was talking about. So that inflow plus there is a lot of benefit from the contract in the form of these 76-seats swaps and been able to increase the 76-seat count and return for getting 60-seaters out. So there is lot of pieces that move in and out of the economics of that transaction, but with that said, once we get to 65 we will have a significant number of retirements and we don't anticipate being in a situation where we have pilot hiring in 2013 as we sit today, but obviously as people hit the 65 age limitation, we will be hiring at the bottom of the seniority list. We haven't done an analysis of what the trade off is there, but overall the pilot contract and when you take the totality of all the terms, the productivity, the scope clause and the flexibility that gives us to be able to manage the business to the peak, its all in a good yield in terms of the overall profitability of the airline."


I guess it was announced.

Originally Posted by APCLurker (Post 1310935)

Further evidence of looking at what is actually happening and not listening to the projections.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1310940)

So what's "actually" happening? He didn't say "We won't be hiring in 2013". And did you see slide #19? Mainline grows while RJs shrink.

Originally Posted by APCLurker (Post 1310948)

He didn't? Not anticipating a situation where we have pilot hiring in 2013 seemed to be a pretty clear indication to me.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1310953)

"Anticipating" is not a guarantee. And what about slide #19?

Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1310675)

It's a small sample size, but a little left field data suggests that some of it is attrition.

I was talking to one of our Hawaiian Pursers (who commutes to ATL from HNL...ie crazy guy) who said that the company hired lots of Japanese speakers from Hawaii.......then based them in NYC where they didn't fly to Japan. Needless to say, most of them quit.

There is a super nice and super HOT girl that works at a Mexican Food place near the house here in PHX. She was real excited about getting an interview with Delta a few months back to be a spanish speaking FA. She was really sad to tell me she turned down the job after she found out that she was going to be based in NYC and couldn't see the commute.

NWA went through the same problem with Chinese speakers in the 90s. Don't remember where they were from, but they were based in DTW flying DC-9 trips.......they barely spoke english.......they didn't last long either.

Ferd

Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1310478)

Over-censoring... seriously Johnso, it was a bubble, no matter what it LOOKED like. That was the humor of it. Dissappointed...

Originally Posted by Free Bird (Post 1310928)

Not sure you read my entire post, Im not advocating selling anything. It's a punishment to the company if they get out of balance and has to be corrected within 12 months. Seems like right now our contract and it's 3 year window is allowing the imbalance. Something needs to be punitive to the company if they break our contract.

I can't believe with our "ALPA lawyers and labor experts" we can't find better language to protect ourselves if the company breaks the PWA.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1310953)

"Anticipating" is not a guarantee. And what about slide #19?