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Well that would surprise me since OH is an ALPA carrier. The only reason they would do that is because OH is a short timer.
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Originally Posted by deltabound
(Post 657455)
Here's some happy [sic] thoughts:
It has just occurred to me that a SWA takeover of F9 would give them access to gates in ATL (and Dulles, as well). Although I doubt this is their primary reason for their BK bid, this could very well be a long term back door strategy to getting into DAL's backyard. I hasten to add that SWA in ATL probably wouldn't be all that great for AirTran, either. You never know with SWA . . . . those sneaky buggers have some smart people on their long term strategic planning boards. When ATA was acquired by SWA, I don't think anyone in ATL expected to see SWA in LGA 2 years later. |
Originally Posted by Superpilot92
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 657466)
WN is doing this for a lot of reasons, One of them is as you mention, there are also others. IMHO they are doing it to derail a few things in the works as well.
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Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 657480)
ACL,
Aren't you supposed to be out checking out the sights? :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 657328)
Okay, let's imagine that whatever scope clause you want to negotiate for has been agreed to in principle by management. Now you have to come up with a way to implement the change. How do you see that going?
Do you think that Delta would sign an agreement on Tuesday and then on Wednesday all those pilots at CMR, ASA, etc. would be out of a job and then Delta would have to hire a few thousand pilots in one day? Or maybe, do you think there would be a transition period where we eventually add these pilots to our seniority list? During this transition period would it be likely that you would have to: Harmonize their work rules, pay, bidding, etc. Harmonize their contractual pay and benefits Establish the seniority amongst the group to be integrated, i.e. where would Compass pilots be in relation to CMR pilots and so on and so on Establish an integration method amongst the two groups (Delta and connection) Establish a flow up/down agreement for the interim time until the rest could be worked out I am interested in hearing how you would accomplish this transition. I am also interested in your opinion that if you start to accomplish some of these goals ahead of the negotiations, would it actually make the scope negotiations easier to get to your vision of the perfect scope language. It is one thing to have problems and another to have solutions. You are good at articulating your problems. Clearly, you have to understand that any solution to your problem is much deeper than "Get me better scope." Finally, is it possible that people are trying to work on solutions to your problems right now, but you can't even recognize it? |
It super secret and all of the hyenas just need to sit by and wait for Mosses to come off the mountain with the tablets.
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 657422)
Sorry, but I can't really understand most of what you are saying here, it just doesn't make much sense.
I wrote that it was unlikely that ALPA had lied. There is no conspiracy. They are pretty open about the "outsourcing is good... Delta pilots can not perform small jet flying" agenda. That Agenda started with Babbitt and has become policy for the last 15 to 20 years.
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 657422)
When you talk about the economic value of "unity", what do you mean?
Conversely other contractual gains have been made at the same time as gains in our scope section. For those who like chart analysis; Scope and pay move together on any chart of any airline’s bargaining with scope being the leading indicator. Taking an isolated example, the economic benefits of using the E175 to its full capacity would provide extra revenue which could be a basis for negotiating increased pay. The Company would enjoy the additional flexibility of operating this aircraft as Air Canada and JetBlue have done into markets best suited for its attributes. That's a much more positive outcome for our company and our pilots than dividing and limiting the potential of each. |
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 657328)
Finally, is it possible that people are trying to work on solutions to your problems right now, but you can't even recognize it?
I also think the scope issue is being used for other purposes, by a group trying to find an issue that gets them elected. The problem is this: the people working on the solutions aren not going to continue working on solutions if they can't, you know, show their work. Good work, perhaps. Horrific marketing, certainly. |
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