Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 657534)

I understand that you see this as fourth hand info and that is fine. We have three individuals that are very close to the action that have all stated in one fashion or another than they can no longer sit on their hands. You have a 777CA running for CA rep in 44, an ER FO who works with the DPN, and a vocal 88 CA that has finally decided he can take no more. Who these people are will come out very shortly.

Originally Posted by Refund (Post 657557)

“Unfortunately, because of the severity of this economic downturn, we also must eliminate additional salaried positions beyond the management and administrative jobs already reduced over the last 18 months. aaahhhh ..... what is this?? What is beyond management and administrative jobs?? Pilots? this is off of deltanets front page article. >>>>never mind reread it "beyond" is the key word. sshheeewww.

Originally Posted by Refund (Post 657557)

“Unfortunately, because of the severity of this economic downturn, we also must eliminate additional salaried positions beyond the management and administrative jobs already reduced over the last 18 months.

aaahhhh ..... what is this?? What is beyond management and administrative jobs?? Pilots?

this is off of deltanets front page article.

>>>>never mind reread it "beyond" is the key word. sshheeewww.

Originally Posted by Refund (Post 657557)

“Unfortunately, because of the severity of this economic downturn, we also must eliminate additional salaried positions beyond the management and administrative jobs already reduced over the last 18 months.

aaahhhh ..... what is this?? What is beyond management and administrative jobs?? Pilots?

this is off of deltanets front page article.

>>>>never mind reread it "beyond" is the key word. sshheeewww.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 657508)

1. Determine a seniority integration methodology for all interested carriers. Airtight, signed sealed and delivered. Probably base the outcome partly on date of hire and partly on status/category.
2. Establish a framework for a common contract, possibly a long term arrangement where pay rates are based on mainline narrow body rates.
3. Harmonize work rules and PBS bidding, use the Delta PBS and work rules as the starting standard, modify as necessary
4. Establish a comprehensive flow up/flow down arrangement
5. Determine a seniority/fence agreement for connections and mainline
6. Negotiate for a full integration of connection carriers and update the scope agreements to recognize this change
7. Negotiate a common CBA
8. Welcome aboard a bunch of new Delta pilots
9. Drink lots of beer

This process would probably take 3-5 years total. This is just a rough outline, obviously this makes it look much easier than it really would be. Each one of those steps is a pretty big deal. As you can see, in my perfect little world the first step would be getting as many connection carriers as possible together and start to work on steps 1-3. I don't know if the rumors are correct, but if those guys are meeting this week I think it is a good thing.

I think the first RJ-50's were delivered in 1997 or 1998, someone can correct me if I am off here. After 10-12 years of getting to where we are today, to expect a simple contract agreement to wipe it out in the short term is probably impossible. If we really want to get this done, then we have to realize the enormous cost and effort and be proactive about finding solutions. Problems are easy, solutions are hard.

Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 657582)

Plus, "additional salaried positions." That's not us. :)