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Old 01-01-2013 | 07:17 AM
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havent been reserve in awhile...do we have to check schedule at the beginning of short call period...or just wait for them to call you? i know you check the day prior and have to acknowledge an assignment...but i never actually chk the sked at the beginning of short call>>
Old 01-01-2013 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by LandGreen2
havent been reserve in awhile...do we have to check schedule at the beginning of short call period...or just wait for them to call you? i know you check the day prior and have to acknowledge an assignment...but i never actually chk the sked at the beginning of short call>>
No checking required. Just wait for the call.
Old 01-01-2013 | 07:57 AM
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Old 01-01-2013 | 08:14 AM
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Ok my understanding is when sitting RSV SC is assigned to the most junior first as well as those having the most days available taking into account your grouping. Obviously everyone is still in group 1 for January. I feel there is someone with more RSV days available and junior to me that should have been assigned SC before me.

Am I right?
Old 01-01-2013 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Vikz09
Ok my understanding is when sitting RSV SC is assigned to the most junior first as well as those having the most days available taking into account your grouping. Obviously everyone is still in group 1 for January. I feel there is someone with more RSV days available and junior to me that should have been assigned SC before me.

Am I right?
Nope.

They first decide how many SC guys they need in each 'day of availability' grouping, then they assign those out in reverse seniority order (unless someone senior has requested it via YS).

Let's say you are the most junior pilot with 3 days of availability. Every pilot in the 4 day+ group is junior to you. If scheduling determines they only need 1 pilot, and they want that pilot to be in the 3 day group for whatever reason, then you will be assigned the SC.

Seniority only comes into play within your days of availability grouping, then your RAW Bucket (which you already mentioned), and also your SC bucket (this doesn't become a factor very often in a small category like ATLDC9B). All of those things being equal, then yes, the junior guy should get the SC first.
Old 01-01-2013 | 08:36 AM
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To expand on the above:

If you are all in the 4+ day bucket (ie you have 5 days of availability and the pilots junior to you also have 4 or more days) then you are all in the same 'days of availability grouping' and the junior guy should get the SC.

I think the international categories have even more 'days of availability groupings' but domestic is just 1, 2, 3 and 4+

You have to look at who else is in your grouping first, THEN it comes down to RAW buckets.
Old 01-01-2013 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Vikz09
Ok my understanding is when sitting RSV SC is assigned to the most junior first as well as those having the most days available taking into account your grouping. Obviously everyone is still in group 1 for January. I feel there is someone with more RSV days available and junior to me that should have been assigned SC before me.
SC is hard to determine why someone is or isn't put on short call. Just because someone has more days doesn't mean they will be on SC. I've been on SC when I only have 1 day available when there are guys with longer stretches that seem available.

The reserve list shows very little of what someone has flown. There might be 1in7 issues, 30 in 7 issues, 32-7 issues (for Int'l), etc etc that limit someone getting put on SC or used for a flight. Then there are yellow slips, people wanting to be on SC, people wanting certain SC times, etc etc.

THEN scheduler discretion comes into play - weather, sick outs, weather in other bases, cancellations, etc. In my base, people have been put on SC for specific charters that may or may not go (ie, sports charters than depend if a different team wins or loses).

In short, it's very complicated. You can try calling the scheduler and asking, but they are busy, (ie, there is generally ONE scheduler for all the 7ER pilots, one for the M88, one for the 765 and 777 combined I think).
Old 01-01-2013 | 09:29 AM
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Happy New Year to all y'all, APC'ers.
Old 01-01-2013 | 10:37 AM
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One thing to keep in mind about SC is how it plays out with LC.

Say the first 10 pilots are given SC for tomorrow and say around 8pm someone calls in sick for the next day. Say Pineapple Guy, he's not really sick he's just got better things to do. Just kidding!

But seriously someone calls in sick say around 8pm and drops a 4 day into the system. The computer goes banging around looking for the first pilot on LC to assign that trip. Let's say it's a 1400 show. The computer goes looking and the first person on LC at 1400 is actually the guy with the 1800 SC, so their SC is pulled and they're given a trip. The guy on SC at 1200 is on SC at 1400 so the computer skips that guy. So my least favorite SC is 1930, it kept getting pulled and I kept getting a trip. I'd rather had a morning SC nowadays.

It could also be the first guy it finds on LC is the first guy on LC with no SC assigned to them. So yeah you could be #11 sitting pretty thinking you're not going anywhere but in reality you were #1 on LC.

Or so says the scheduler. Someone else might have a different explanation.
Old 01-01-2013 | 11:10 AM
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Is there any info out there that gives the average number of short calls assigned per individual via base, position and aircraft? Thx
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