Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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so it looks as if you guys are buying us, we are either the next comair, or the next destroy, rebuild and sell for huge profits. I have always wondered this question, maybe someone can answer it for me. I am not suggesting that this should happen or that we even deserve it but what is the difference lets say between delta buying alaska and delta buying pinnacle. Both have unions but in one case it would trigger a pilot seniority list integration and in the other it does nothing. What does your scope clause say about this or does nothing happen because one is a regional? Its just a question that I have always been curious about. What is ALPA nationals position on the matter? Also, please dont view this post as a regional punk just trying to get to mainline, Im just trying to understand policy in these situations.
My MEC is not engaged with my management on matters involving Pinnacle. We read about it in the papers.
I see. I tend to think about all of this in terms of numbers, not politics. Demonstrated compliance is good. Lack of either is bad. I'm open-minded about the next administration. I didn't know we replaced a secretive admin for a good one, but it's true that I've not seen any bulletins on the TA JV recently. So i'm going to trust that the new admin will get the numbers out, so let's give them a chance. Add this on the list above the VA discussions, then the Pinnacle TA.
Does that work, Shiznit?
Does that work, Shiznit?
I'm with you completely on the dissemination of info in these types of matters. I'd love to see the TAJV "scope report card" just like most everyone here, but I'm not going start complaining when I just got a good quality update on another section of the scope clause.
george: "...but that information doesnt seem to be forthcoming..."
I should have merely said: How do you know? It has only been 3 days since the new Chairman took office.
Does that work Sink?
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Hey guys,
We've got a trip coming up this summer to OGG and I'm trying to put together plans A-Z if we can't get on our LAX-OGG (or return) flights.
I can significantly increase my opportunities to get on a DL flight if we come/go through HNL. A few questions:
1. How easy is it to get to/from HNL to OGG? I see pretty much hourly frequency on Hawaiian. Anyone know what the loads are typically like? Is this a "walk up and hop on any flight" kinda thing, or are they always jam packed?
2. What's the best way to go about buying ZED fares? My plan is to buy ZED's to/from HNL/OGG for the whole family. Also, I'm planning to buy ZED's on AA and UAL from OGG-LAX and/or HNL-mainland as backups to get out of Hawaii (which I've heard is a nightmare).
Is this overkill? I'd rather not have $1000+ tied up in ZED's if I don't have to. Is it fairly straightforward to return them if unused?
3. Anyone have any other advice for getting to/from OGG via ZED's or otherwise? I'll book a j/s if I have to, but I need to find seats for my wife and 2 small kids.
Scoop? You out there? I remember you posting something about ZED's several days ago. How easy is it to buy/return them?
Thanks!
We've got a trip coming up this summer to OGG and I'm trying to put together plans A-Z if we can't get on our LAX-OGG (or return) flights.
I can significantly increase my opportunities to get on a DL flight if we come/go through HNL. A few questions:
1. How easy is it to get to/from HNL to OGG? I see pretty much hourly frequency on Hawaiian. Anyone know what the loads are typically like? Is this a "walk up and hop on any flight" kinda thing, or are they always jam packed?
2. What's the best way to go about buying ZED fares? My plan is to buy ZED's to/from HNL/OGG for the whole family. Also, I'm planning to buy ZED's on AA and UAL from OGG-LAX and/or HNL-mainland as backups to get out of Hawaii (which I've heard is a nightmare).
Is this overkill? I'd rather not have $1000+ tied up in ZED's if I don't have to. Is it fairly straightforward to return them if unused?
3. Anyone have any other advice for getting to/from OGG via ZED's or otherwise? I'll book a j/s if I have to, but I need to find seats for my wife and 2 small kids.
Scoop? You out there? I remember you posting something about ZED's several days ago. How easy is it to buy/return them?
Thanks!
I don't know Scambo. Maybe it's just me, but I find all this to be just... sad.
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Someone please tell me this is a joke!? Tell me we don't have people that are affiliated with one administration trying to out people from another, and tell me we don't have alleged Comm Chairmen also masquerading as anonymous users, both taking pot shots at each other, like some vicious, jealous teen-age cheerleaders competing for homecoming queen.
If only our various union politicos would expand the same energy defending the pilot group's interests, as getting into this Montague-and-Capulet crap. Why don't you guys show a little dignity, and maybe behave like adults? Look at the things being alleged: the outbound group pouts and doesn't share, and the inbound groups sits on their ass for a month. That"s the outcome of these elections?
Isn't there serious business at hand?
and
Someone please tell me this is a joke!? Tell me we don't have people that are affiliated with one administration trying to out people from another, and tell me we don't have alleged Comm Chairmen also masquerading as anonymous users, both taking pot shots at each other, like some vicious, jealous teen-age cheerleaders competing for homecoming queen.
If only our various union politicos would expand the same energy defending the pilot group's interests, as getting into this Montague-and-Capulet crap. Why don't you guys show a little dignity, and maybe behave like adults? Look at the things being alleged: the outbound group pouts and doesn't share, and the inbound groups sits on their ass for a month. That"s the outcome of these elections?
Isn't there serious business at hand?
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Hey guys,
We've got a trip coming up this summer to OGG and I'm trying to put together plans A-Z if we can't get on our LAX-OGG (or return) flights.
I can significantly increase my opportunities to get on a DL flight if we come/go through HNL. A few questions:
1. How easy is it to get to/from HNL to OGG? I see pretty much hourly frequency on Hawaiian. Anyone know what the loads are typically like? Is this a "walk up and hop on any flight" kinda thing, or are they always jam packed?
2. What's the best way to go about buying ZED fares? My plan is to buy ZED's to/from HNL/OGG for the whole family. Also, I'm planning to buy ZED's on AA and UAL from OGG-LAX and/or HNL-mainland as backups to get out of Hawaii (which I've heard is a nightmare).
Is this overkill? I'd rather not have $1000+ tied up in ZED's if I don't have to. Is it fairly straightforward to return them if unused?
3. Anyone have any other advice for getting to/from OGG via ZED's or otherwise? I'll book a j/s if I have to, but I need to find seats for my wife and 2 small kids.
Scoop? You out there? I remember you posting something about ZED's several days ago. How easy is it to buy/return them?
Thanks!
We've got a trip coming up this summer to OGG and I'm trying to put together plans A-Z if we can't get on our LAX-OGG (or return) flights.
I can significantly increase my opportunities to get on a DL flight if we come/go through HNL. A few questions:
1. How easy is it to get to/from HNL to OGG? I see pretty much hourly frequency on Hawaiian. Anyone know what the loads are typically like? Is this a "walk up and hop on any flight" kinda thing, or are they always jam packed?
2. What's the best way to go about buying ZED fares? My plan is to buy ZED's to/from HNL/OGG for the whole family. Also, I'm planning to buy ZED's on AA and UAL from OGG-LAX and/or HNL-mainland as backups to get out of Hawaii (which I've heard is a nightmare).
Is this overkill? I'd rather not have $1000+ tied up in ZED's if I don't have to. Is it fairly straightforward to return them if unused?
3. Anyone have any other advice for getting to/from OGG via ZED's or otherwise? I'll book a j/s if I have to, but I need to find seats for my wife and 2 small kids.
Scoop? You out there? I remember you posting something about ZED's several days ago. How easy is it to buy/return them?
Thanks!
I live in Hawaii and have non-rev'd (with family of 5) throughout the islands via ZED multiple times with no issue. You are right, there is so much frequency that if you don't get your fist option, you'll get the second. There is also "go" airlines with some frequencey. I live on Oahu and I've done the LAX to OGG and then non-rev over to HNL to get the family home before.
BTW, you can buy zed fare's in HNL and OGG at the Delta desk, so I wouldn't go on a bender with too many before you even leave as they are sort of a pain to unravel (ie mail them in to save yourself an hour and several rolled eyes from the ticket agent who has to return them.) Also, HAL is now on ezed program so you can literally do it in 3 mins over a computer and returning them is much easier, albeit a small service charge.
Bottom line, very easy to buy / return zed's for HAL now that it is all electronic, but you will pay a small service fee if you don't use them.
Easy to get between the islands albeit you may wait a flight or two.
UAL/AAL/US AIR/ Alakskan all paper zed. If it's tight on DAL, it's usually tighter on UAL and American as well as they have a lot of non-revs in their system. I usually will go for HAL or Alaskan if DAL is too full, although with S2's you can usually make it, again flexibility is the key.
Last thing, I will usually buy ZED's for the family on HAL to go interisland and I just jumpseat for free yet they always find seats for us together.
Enjoy the islands! Feel free to PM if you have any other questions.
Aloha,
LUV
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From: DAL FO
Leine,
I live in Hawaii and have non-rev'd (with family of 5) throughout the islands via ZED multiple times with no issue. You are right, there is so much frequency that if you don't get your fist option, you'll get the second. There is also "go" airlines with some frequencey. I live on Oahu and I've done the LAX to OGG and then non-rev over to HNL to get the family home before.
BTW, you can buy zed fare's in HNL and OGG at the Delta desk, so I wouldn't go on a bender with too many before you even leave as they are sort of a pain to unravel (ie mail them in to save yourself an hour and several rolled eyes from the ticket agent who has to return them.) Also, HAL is now on ezed program so you can literally do it in 3 mins over a computer and returning them is much easier, albeit a small service charge.
Bottom line, very easy to buy / return zed's for HAL now that it is all electronic, but you will pay a small service fee if you don't use them.
Easy to get between the islands albeit you may wait a flight or two.
UAL/AAL/US AIR/ Alakskan all paper zed. If it's tight on DAL, it's usually tighter on UAL and American as well as they have a lot of non-revs in their system. I usually will go for HAL or Alaskan if DAL is too full, although with S2's you can usually make it, again flexibility is the key.
Last thing, I will usually buy ZED's for the family on HAL to go interisland and I just jumpseat for free yet they always find seats for us together.
Enjoy the islands! Feel free to PM if you have any other questions.
Aloha,
LUV
I live in Hawaii and have non-rev'd (with family of 5) throughout the islands via ZED multiple times with no issue. You are right, there is so much frequency that if you don't get your fist option, you'll get the second. There is also "go" airlines with some frequencey. I live on Oahu and I've done the LAX to OGG and then non-rev over to HNL to get the family home before.
BTW, you can buy zed fare's in HNL and OGG at the Delta desk, so I wouldn't go on a bender with too many before you even leave as they are sort of a pain to unravel (ie mail them in to save yourself an hour and several rolled eyes from the ticket agent who has to return them.) Also, HAL is now on ezed program so you can literally do it in 3 mins over a computer and returning them is much easier, albeit a small service charge.
Bottom line, very easy to buy / return zed's for HAL now that it is all electronic, but you will pay a small service fee if you don't use them.
Easy to get between the islands albeit you may wait a flight or two.
UAL/AAL/US AIR/ Alakskan all paper zed. If it's tight on DAL, it's usually tighter on UAL and American as well as they have a lot of non-revs in their system. I usually will go for HAL or Alaskan if DAL is too full, although with S2's you can usually make it, again flexibility is the key.
Last thing, I will usually buy ZED's for the family on HAL to go interisland and I just jumpseat for free yet they always find seats for us together.
Enjoy the islands! Feel free to PM if you have any other questions.
Aloha,
LUV
What is the difference between a paper ZED and an EZED?
My understanding is we list via the id90 site linked in Travelnet and then have to actually pick them up/pay for them at a DL ticket counter? Is that about right?
Can I get a paper and/or EZED the day of travel? Or do they need to be bought a few days in advance?
Thanks again
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I'm in agreement that should be all about numbers and not politics.... However we live in a world where people don't always think the same way we do, and thus undertake paths that you or I might not choose. There are pluses and minuses to methods, I prefer the slower and deliberate method to be employed more often than we have seen, but I also recognize that there are times when the Reps have elected a team they trust to "execute" the direction of the MEC, they put the team in place, let them do their job, and not necessarily call a meeting to vote on everything that comes along.
I'm with you completely on the dissemination of info in these types of matters. I'd love to see the TAJV "scope report card" just like most everyone here, but I'm not going start complaining when I just got a good quality update on another section of the scope clause.
george: "...but that information doesnt seem to be forthcoming..."
I should have merely said: How do you know? It has only been 3 days since the new Chairman took office.
Does that work Sink?
I'm with you completely on the dissemination of info in these types of matters. I'd love to see the TAJV "scope report card" just like most everyone here, but I'm not going start complaining when I just got a good quality update on another section of the scope clause.
george: "...but that information doesnt seem to be forthcoming..."
I should have merely said: How do you know? It has only been 3 days since the new Chairman took office.
Does that work Sink?

Results, of course, are driven by strategy and tactics. I didn't get the impression George was asking for impatient, hot-headed moves. I'm not going to speak for him, but deliberate is always fine with me. You can, of course, be deliberate and not be slow.
Thanks LUV!
What is the difference between a paper ZED and an EZED?
My understanding is we list via the id90 site linked in Travelnet and then have to actually pick them up/pay for them at a DL ticket counter? Is that about right?
Can I get a paper and/or EZED the day of travel? Or do they need to be bought a few days in advance?
Thanks again
What is the difference between a paper ZED and an EZED?
My understanding is we list via the id90 site linked in Travelnet and then have to actually pick them up/pay for them at a DL ticket counter? Is that about right?
Can I get a paper and/or EZED the day of travel? Or do they need to be bought a few days in advance?
Thanks again
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From: DAL FO
Go to travelnet> leisure travel> Interline travel> then MyIDtravel, click confirm, then the Booking/listing menu. It'll walk you through listing and paying for etickets. I've never used it for hawaiian, but it looks like it will work for them. I used it for some SWA tickets over the holidays and it worked like a charm. No paper tickets or trips to the ticket counter involved.
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