I'm not one that thinks we should hire just to hire. However I'm tired of being told what I want to hear just to close some sort of deal like I'm the last chick at the bar or something. If it was going to be like this I would rather have heard it last year.

Same goes for any JV's. Just come out and say hey this is good for the company but it is going to hurt you guys but we need to do it for the shareholders or something. Sneakiness leads to distrust.

There are a number of reasons we have not hired since 2010. Mil leave returnees have come back in larger numbers than expected, pilots are flying max hours, making us overstaffed. If every line holder flies ALV +15, we drastically reduce the number of pilots needed. My category NYC 7ER A, is pretty well overstaffed right now, as are the FO's.

01-22-2013 | 04:58 PM

#120742

Jack Bauer

Gets Weekends Off

Joined: Jun 2007

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sailingfun

The company has clearly stated their fleet plan. It is to increase the mainline from the low of 720 jets to 796 jets over the next 3.5 years. They have signed contracts to do exactly that on the exact schedule they stated during contract negotiations. They have also stated that if the economy improves they could generate additional growth via slowing retirements and exercising the options they hold on the 737-900ER's. The planned 757 and DC9 retirements have both been much slower then what was projected shortly after the merger.

How many jets are on the property (being used) today? I have a feeling these numbers won't pan out (net the number of jets that are also parked). You can cue your reasons starting in 3.4 years. In fact let's be sure to revisit these posts at that time. I hope I'm wrong but history from ALPA politicking and accurate information is not on our side.

PS- half a year has already ticked off the clock.

01-22-2013 | 05:00 PM

#120743

Doug Masters

Weekend and Holiday Pilot

Joined: Jan 2007

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From: Sippin' at the Troubadour

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalad

There are a number of reasons we have not hired since 2010. Mil leave returnees have come back in larger numbers than expected, pilots are flying max hours, making us overstaffed. If every line holder flies ALV +15, we drastically reduce the number of pilots needed. My category NYC 7ER A, is pretty well overstaffed right now, as are the FO's.

I flew with 3 captains last month who were on green slips yet wondered aloud why we aren't hiring. Um...

01-22-2013 | 05:05 PM

#120744

scambo1

The Brown Dot +1

Joined: Jun 2009

Posts: 7,775

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From: 777B

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalad

I will raise my hand and admit that I am guilty of trying to fly to the pick up limit - greenslips don't exist except in some mythical m88 day-turn-seniority category. I also fly extra in vacation months. However, I also bid reserve and try to skate too. IOW, I try to game the system for max pay and/or max quality of life. I would imagine between flying alot when I do and trying to skate when I do, I negate my effect on my category.

Does that make any sense?

01-22-2013 | 05:08 PM

#120745

80ktsClamp

Da Hudge

Joined: Oct 2006

Posts: 17,473

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From: Poodle Whisperer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Masters

I flew with 3 captains last month who were on green slips yet wondered aloud why we aren't hiring. Um...

The guy I flew with last trip was complaining about how junior he had gotten. In nearly the same breath, he went on a rant about how it's stupid that we can't sell vacation back.

Facepalm.

01-22-2013 | 05:12 PM

#120746

XtremeF150

Gets Weekends Off

Joined: Dec 2005

Posts: 1,182

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From: M88B

I don't know that the GS's are stopping them from hiring. Maybe slowing the process, but I'm sure they don't get thrilled at paying $214 (most junior fo on property) - $510 (senior CA) an hour. Actually most trips its quite a bit more per hour than this after factoring in work rules.

01-22-2013 | 05:16 PM

#120747

buzzpat

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Joined: Feb 2008

Posts: 6,070

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From: Urban chicken rancher.

Quote:

Originally Posted by scambo1

Same for me. Plus, small categories (i.e., almost all of those outside of ATL) don't offer nearly the opportunity to pick up white slips or green slip that ATL does. Its a 'hole 'nother world out here. For example, most of last month there was ONE trip in open time for 73 FO's, 0 for CA's. Right now, there are two trips in open for Feb for FO's. Not exactly shooting fish in a barrel.