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forgot to bid 02-06-2013 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1347356)
I don't know. I was just going with the number crew resources said they were going to staff the 717 with: 7 crews an airplane. DOH!

Denny

it's interesting to me. I can see 7 crews per 717 to cover deliveries and then the ratio dropping later. Same with the 737 with its deliveries. So yeah, "the 717 means 14 pilots per plane... but only while we build the category."

I just have a sneaking suspicion the 320 is headed towards the 88's number. The 320 has gone from 6 crews to 5.6 crews and there talking about getting rid of more FOs.

What is SWA's ratio of pilots to planes? Let me go look... apc says 6,327 pilots and 565 speed demon 737s. That comes out to 5.59 crews per plane vs the 88's current 4.8.

?

Flamer 02-06-2013 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by The Cavalier (Post 1347340)
Just seems to me they are pushing the summer off line pretty hard. I'm not sure that it will work out that way for more than a handful of people. Bait and switch?

Bingo. Why people continuously fall for these things is beyond me.

dalad 02-06-2013 05:13 PM

Beware the Latency, like a call from the CPO if you are even one minute late!:eek: I had to go look at my rotation to see that we were late.

forgot to bid 02-06-2013 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by The Cavalier (Post 1347340)
Just seems to me they are pushing the summer off line pretty hard. I'm not sure that it will work out that way for more than a handful of people. Bait and switch?


Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1347367)
Bingo. Why people continuously fall for these things is beyond me.

You guys must have missed this: "We feel like we can go through the entire spring and summer schedule without 200 qualified and current pilots in the DC9, MD88, 737 and 320."

:D

buzzpat 02-06-2013 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1347372)
Beware the Latency, like a call from the CPO if you are even one minute late!:eek: I had to go look at my rotation to see that we were late.

No! Really?!

This is going to be weird....and wrong. Targeting the wrong employee group!

Flamer 02-06-2013 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1347372)
Beware the Latency, like a call from the CPO if you are even one minute late!:eek: I had to go look at my rotation to see that we were late.

You got a phone call for a late out? Did "you reap what you sew" enter the conversation?

nwaf16dude 02-06-2013 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 1347145)
Hardest flying I ever did, just a lot of thinking, manual flying. On nice days it was fun, but 5 legs a day when the weather is bad, hot, no fun. That being said, there are currently about 30 guys senior to low 7000 on the AE calculator thing. I would bet that you will not see Captain go junior anymore with people having stagnated for so long and the need for the bucks.

It was my first airline gig, and I learned to love it, but the flying was much different when I was on it. We rarely had more than three legs a day, and we'd usually have at least one decent long layover on a three day trip. Back-to-back 5 legs with sub 12 hour layovers would be hard to swallow. I know, I'm lazy.

buzzpat 02-06-2013 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1347372)
Beware the Latency, like a call from the CPO if you are even one minute late!:eek: I had to go look at my rotation to see that we were late.

I'm not a CA, but I've been doing this for three decades plus. Empower us to fly safely, ask us to do gate PAs and represent the company, I actually get all that and am board. NOW, we wait for all of the ACS elements to perfectly align (i.e., we can't canjole them into action as we almost always have to do), and WE'RE frikkin late?

No sir and no ma'am! Ain't us!

scambo1 02-06-2013 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1347425)
I'm not a CA, but I've been doing this for three decades plus. Empower us to fly safely, ask us to do gate PAs and represent the company, I actually get all that and am board. NOW, we wait for all of the ACS elements to perfectly align (i.e., we can't canjole them into action as we almost always have to do), and WE'RE frikkin late?

No sir and no ma'am! Ain't us!

We do have delay codes for the acars.

But a phone call? I guess we know what the new crisis du jour is.:rolleyes: I guess we need a new line check blitz.

I think we should get those phone calls when we are reviewing the performance numbers, just in time to be confused on whether or not the "flaps" were called for. If you answer they can also gig you for forgetting to turn off your cell phone.

sailingfun 02-06-2013 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1347433)
We do have delay codes for the acars.

But a phone call? I guess we know what the new crisis du jour is.:rolleyes: I guess we need a new line check blitz.

I think we should get those phone calls when we are reviewing the performance numbers, just in time to be confused on whether or not the "flaps" were called for. If you answer they can also gig you for forgetting to turn off your cell phone.

Almost every phone call to a pilot about a late push is because ACS has coded it as a pilot delay. The cpo is only calling to make sure we are not taking a hit for a delay that was not ours. They are not on a pilot witch hunt.


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