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newKnow 02-06-2013 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by DLpilot (Post 1347247)
Read under "Bidding Options When A Category Closes". It is about halfway through the update.

Just saw it. Thanks DL. ;)

Denny Crane 02-06-2013 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by DLpilot (Post 1347246)
This was answered on the question section of the update. The plane is overstaffed and no new openings expected.

It's overstaffed now but I think crew planning is expecting quite a few guys to bid off to the 717, just like they expect bidding off the DC9. They also say that 6 of the MD90's wont be put in service until Nov and Dec 2013. Those can be put up for bid later.......

Denny

newKnow 02-06-2013 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1347250)
It's overstaffed now but I think crew planning is expecting quite a few guys to bid off to the 717, just like they expect bidding off the DC9. They also say that 6 of the MD90's wont be put in service until Nov and Dec 2013. Those can be put up for bid later.......

Denny

I'm a little confused -- again. If they are closing the base, why would DC9 guys/gals bid off, when they can get a mandatory displacement and go where they go with no freeze? Or, is there no real difference in the way they are using the terms bid and displace? :confused:

nwaf16dude 02-06-2013 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot (Post 1347185)
Old age and deceit will overcome youth and ambition. :p

Truth is I'm almost 50, so I have no room to throw stones

Denny Crane 02-06-2013 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1347257)
I'm a little confused -- again. If they are closing the base, why would DC9 guys/gals bid off, when they can get a mandatory displacement and go where they go with no freeze? Or, is there no real difference in the way they are using the terms bid and displace? :confused:

All things being equal, you are right. If your category is closing, just bid an MD. You have the best chance of getting what you want. The question is...........how much longer do the -9 guys want to be on the -9? Also, it sounds like guys are going to be sitting around for months not doing anything but waiting for 717 delivieries to come so they can get an OE. That right there is some incentive to bid it on an AE!! (MD's are trained in inverse order.) Of course they would have a freeze. You are correct, MD equals no freeze and AE equals freeze.

Denny

DLpilot 02-06-2013 03:18 PM

[QUOTE=Denny Crane;1347273]All things being equal, you are right. If your category is closing, just bid an MD. You have the best chance of getting what you want. The question is...........how much longer do the -9 guys want to be on the -9? Also, it sounds like guys are going to be sitting around for months not doing anything but waiting for 717 delivieries to come so they can get an OE. That right there is some incentive to bid it on an AE!! (MD's are trained in inverse order.) Of course they would have a freeze. You are correct, MD equals no freeze and AE equals freeze.

Denny[/]

Nevermind

newKnow 02-06-2013 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1347273)
All things being equal, you are right. If your category is closing, just bid an MD. You have the best chance of getting what you want. The question is...........how much longer do the -9 guys want to be on the -9? Also, it sounds like guys are going to be sitting around for months not doing anything but waiting for 717 delivieries to come so they can get an OE. That right there is some incentive to bid it on an AE!! (MD's are trained in inverse order.) Of course they would have a freeze. You are correct, MD equals no freeze and AE equals freeze.

Denny

Thanks Denny! Hope things are going well with you. :D

forgot to bid 02-06-2013 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1347235)
According to the Crew Planning news, there are 13 MD-90s that will enter service between now and the end of the year. If they are staffed with 7 crews per airplane (like they said the 717 will be) then that will be 91 captains more. Still a loss but a little less so........Plus, 15 717's delivered in 2013 at 7 crews an airplane is 105 captains.

Denny

117 MD-88s + 65 MD-90s? Equals 182 jets right?

There are 1735 pilots right now on the 88/90 and they're not expecting to add more but shrink staffing on it.

That's 9.5 pilots per plane, not crews, pilots. 4.8 crews per plane. It's below the 15 pilots per 737, 11 per 320, 14 for the 9.

Why do they say we are overstaffed? I mean February, yes, but come summer?

Wilbur Wright 02-06-2013 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1347273)
All things being equal, you are right. If your category is closing, just bid an MD. You have the best chance of getting what you want. The question is...........how much longer do the -9 guys want to be on the -9? Also, it sounds like guys are going to be sitting around for months not doing anything but waiting for 717 delivieries to come so they can get an OE. That right there is some incentive to bid it on an AE!! (MD's are trained in inverse order.) Of course they would have a freeze. You are correct, MD equals no freeze and AE equals freeze.

Denny

For MDs pilots now have the option of converting in seniority order.

contrails 02-06-2013 04:05 PM

DL service to ICN from NRT ends May 31. Evidently Northwest started Tokyo to Seoul in 1947.


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