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They're not even trying to hide it, one of the odd side A gates in Detroit
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1423381)
They're not even trying to hide it, one of the odd side A gates in Detroit
http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...psfb95ec9a.jpg Thanks for posting. Very cool. |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1423381)
They're not even trying to hide it, one of the odd side A gates in Detroit
http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...psfb95ec9a.jpg |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1423332)
Timbo,
I have also heard about these "incidents" with new hires on the ER but it doesn't make any sense to me that the FAA would care about what new hires bid. At Atlas, FDX and a whole bunch of other airlines new-hires go directly into the right seat of international wide-bodies. I don't think their hiring standards are any more stringent than DAL. I guess they must train more specifically for international Ops than DAL does. A former squadron mate of mine got 777B at FDX as his new hire seat last year (heard he was already displaced :eek:). I guess maybe DAL's training for the ER and up could be reviewed for guys with no experience at that sort of thing. As a former MIL guy who flew all over the world I think once you get the accents figured out flying international 1 leg a day is about 10X easier than 4-5 legs a day up and down the east coast in a 88 or DC-9. Scoop Scoop, I only heard the story second hand, but when I asked a few LCA's about it, they said the FAA has to approve DAL's new hire training. At the time, DAL's new hire training was aimed at the MD88, no international stuff at all, no 767 stuff either, so when all of a sudden, some guys were coming straight out of new hire school to the 767. This event prompted the FAA to have a closer look at the New Hire training program. The FAA said DAL had to either 1. add international training to new hire school, or 2. stop putting untrained new hires in the right seat of the 767 ER. DAL chose the latter, as it was cheaper, of course. I fully agree with your premise, if you are already a military trained world traveler, going to the right seat of any international airplane is cake, it's much easier sitting (and sleeping) for 9 hours to one auto-land, than flying five 1hr. legs a day in a DC 9 or MD 88, no doubt. Most civilian only type new hires are used to that type of flying, but not used to uploading new winds and seeing an "Insufficient Fuel" message in a 767 FMS in the middle of the north atlantic at 3am. It was simply a lack of a "Direct Entry International Training Program", and that's why the FAA stopped it, or so I was told. We all know the hardest working guy is in the right seat of a DC 9, not in the right seat of a 777! :D That's why it's so senior! |
Originally Posted by FIIGMO
(Post 1423201)
I can not imagine anyone knows much about the 717, but it has wings so anything is possible! Less Eskimo the better! ( Cranky Eskimos as of late when we want to use our gates at T6. ACS agents say things are getting testy between the partners, who wudda thunkit!!)
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Timbo- we had newhires going into the ER almost to the very end of the 08 training cycle. That stopped only because the music was stopping.
No newbs got it out of the box in 2010 only because there wasn't a need for those positions from flight ops. Adding international training to the newhire course? We're all international pilots at DL out of the box. All the fleets that have aircraft capable of WATRS train that in your qualification course. Additionally, when checking out on the ER, there are extra sims after your 767 type ride for the oceanic ops. None of this shutting down the ER to newhires has any validity. If they can hold it, they can hold it. |
Originally Posted by buzzpat
(Post 1423436)
T6 is becoming "The Shootout at the OK Corral" for gates. Things ARE getting testy.
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Originally Posted by Timbo
(Post 1423434)
Scoop, I only heard the story second hand, but when I asked a few LCA's about it, they said the FAA has to approve DAL's new hire training. At the time, DAL's new hire training was aimed at the MD88, no international stuff at all, no 767 stuff either, so when all of a sudden, some guys were coming straight out of new hire school to the 767, the FAA said DAL had to either 1. add international training to new hire school, or 2. stop putting untrained new hires in the right seat of the 767 ER. DAL chose the latter, as it was cheaper, of course.
I fully agree with your premise, if you are already a military trained world traveler, going to the right seat of any international airplane is cake, it's much easier sitting for 9 hours to one auto-land, than flying five 1hr. legs a day in a DC 9 or MD 88, no doubt. Most civilian only type new hires are used to that type of flying, but not used to uploading new winds and seeing an "Insufficient Fuel" message in a 767 FMS in the middle of the north atlantic at 3am. It was simply a lack of a "Direct Entry International Training Program", and that's why the FAA stopped it, or so I was told. We all know the hardest working guy is in the right seat of a DC 9, not in the right seat of a 777! :D That's why it's so senior! |
I understand how the bidding works, do you know why the company manually goes over every AE award?
So I guess all the different flight attendants, pilots and LCA's that mentioned this event made it all up but somehow got their stories to agree with each other. I KNEW it was a conspiracy to get me to bid off it! The bastages! |
Originally Posted by Columbia
(Post 1423443)
How is putting a new hire into the 767 any different than putting a 10-15 year MD-88/DC-9 FO into 767 FO for the first time?
Sort of like the rumor started by some senior FOs that a new junior 767 AQFO had written up a captain for reading a newspaper. Too bad that AQFO had never even met or flown with said captain until a year or so after the fact. Nevertheless, like a bunch of gossipy high school girls, they continued spreading it until it finally got back to the AQFO. Took him a good while to chase that one down and nip it in the bud... |
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